W/E Beyers - REVISED Curlin 110

Kasept · #1 06-16-2008, 06:40 AM

STEPHEN FOSTER H.(G1)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$750,000

1 - CURLIN .40-1 BEYER: 110
Previous three Beyers: 119-114-105
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Robby Albarado (578-122 .21)
2 - Einstein-BRZ 6.00-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 105-103-102
T: Helen Pitts (101-19 .18) J: Julien R. Leparoux (505-80 .15)
3 - Barcola 20.20-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 105-97-93
T: Mark A. Hennig (205-28 .13) J: Jesus Lopez Castanon (391-43 .10)

ALSO RAN: Grasshopper(97), Brass Hat(95), Jonesboro(94), Delightful Kiss(90), Sam P.(89), High Blues(88), Red Rock Creek(88).

THE OBEAH.(G3)

Jun 14, Delaware Park, 1 1/8 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - UNBRIDLED BELLE .70-1 BEYER: 104
Previous three Beyers: 93-104-94
T: Todd A. Pletcher (480-103 .21) J: Ramon A. Dominguez (600-163 .27)
2 - Copper State 13.70-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 79-79-89
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Channing Hill (578-76 .13)
3 - Lemon Drop Mom 3.00-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 93-86-80
T: Timothy F. Ritchey (159-25 .15) J: Jose C. Caraballo (163-21 .12)

ALSO RAN: All Smiles(83), Lexi Star(81), Julie B(80), Best Vow(30).

OGDEN PHIPPS H.(G1)

Jun 14, Belmont Park, 1 1/16 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$300,000

1 - GINGER PUNCH .50-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 94-90-104
T: Robert J. Frankel (245-46 .18) J: Rafael Bejarano (511-111 .21)
2 - Golden Velvet 3.10-1 BEYER: 89
Previous three Beyers: 105-97-91
T: Kiaran P. McLaughlin (291-70 .24) J: Eibar Coa (733-138 .18)
3 - Mistical Plan 24.75-1 BEYER: 88
Previous three Beyers: 80-86-83
T: Doug F. O'Neill (396-52 .13) J: Cornelio H. Velasquez (681-91 .13)

ALSO RAN: Cowgirls Don't Cry(83), Moon Catcher(77), Spectacular Malibu(71).

NORTHERN DANCER S.(G3)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/16 Miles, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$175,000

1 - PYRO 1.80-1 BEYER: 98
Previous three Beyers: 87-73-95
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Shaun Bridgmohan (511-100 .19)
2 - My Pal Charlie 11.00-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 91-90-90
T: Albert M. Stall, Jr. (153-21 .13) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)
3 - Visionaire 4.60-1 BEYER: 91
Previous three Beyers: 75-82-98
T: Michael R. Matz (153-21 .13) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)

ALSO RAN: Recapturetheglory(89), Texas Wildcatter(79), Unbridled Vicar(63).

JEFFERSON CUP S.(G2)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$200,000

1 - TIZDEJAVU 3.00-1 BEYER: 96
Previous three Beyers: 94-85-77
T: Gregory Fox (49-9 .18) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)
2 - Golden Yank 8.10-1 BEYER: 87
Previous three Beyers: 86-86-86
T: Gary A. Thomas (39-1 .02) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)
3 - Old Man Buck 2.20-1 BEYER: 86
Previous three Beyers: 86-79-82
T: Kenneth G. McPeek (190-51 .26) J: Robby Albarado (578-122 .21)

ALSO RAN: Halo Najib(81), Wicked Style(81), Budge Man(77), Go West Bert(75), Bobby Blue Eyes(61).

FLEUR DE LIS H.(G2)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$300,000

1 - HYSTERICALADY .50-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 99-95-81
T: Jerry Hollendorfer (560-131 .23) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)
2 - Initforthekandy 15.20-1 BEYER: 82
Previous three Beyers: 82-85-72
T: Jeff Talley (54-11 .20) J: John McKee (423-65 .15)
3 - Kathleens Reel 10.30-1 BEYER: 79
Previous three Beyers: 95-86-77
T: Ray Sibille (39-2 .05) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)

ALSO RAN: Aspiring(77), Peach Flambe(69).

EATONTOWN H.(G3)

Jun 14, Monmouth Park, 1 1/16 Miles, Turf, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - SOCIAL QUEEN 3.00-1 BEYER: 92
Previous three Beyers: 91-71-86
T: Alan E. Goldberg (86-16 .18) J: Jose Lezcano (571-97 .16)
2 - Chestoria 4.90-1 BEYER: 91
Previous three Beyers: 87-84-85
T: William Badgett, Jr. (55-7 .12) J: Daniel Centeno (640-142 .22)
3 - Miracle Moment 12.00-1 BEYER: 86
Previous three Beyers: 26-87-61
T: Barclay Tagg (213-34 .15) J: Pablo Fragoso (242-23 .09)

ALSO RAN: Czarina's Girl(83), Maddy's Heart(82), Medley-GB(79), Montecito-GB(73), Beatrix Kiddo-FR(72).

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*Stephen Foster (CD): Curlin (S. Asmussen/R. Albarado) - 110
*Postponed (Bel): Mint Lane (J. Jerkens/E. Coa) - 106
*Ponche (Crc): Rockerfeller (M. Wolfson/J. Santiago) - 106
*Obeah (Del): Unbridled Belle (T. Pletcher/R. Dominguez) - 104
*Ogden Phipps (Bel): Ginger Punch (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 103
*Unbridled (Crc): Golden Spikes (M. Wolfson/E. Trujillo) - 103
*King Glorious (Hol): High Standards (M. Jones/J. Rosario) - 103
*Battlefield (Mth): Call My Bluff (D. Ryan/P. Cotto Jr.) - 100
*Round Table (Hol): Cedar Mountain - Ire (N. Drysdale/A. Quinonez) - 100
*Scottish Monk (Bel): Tam Lin - GB (S. bin Suroor/J. Castellano) - 100

*Fleur de Lis (CD): Hystericalady (J. Hollendorfer/G. Gomez) - 99
*Affirmed (Hol): Two Step Salsa (J. Canani/V. Espinoza) - 99
*Northern Dancer (CD): Pyro (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) - 98
*Jaipur (Bel): First Defence (R. Frankel/J. Castellano) - 97
*Carter McGregor Jr. Memorial (LS): Gold Coyote (W. Calhoun/B. Walker Jr.) - 96
*Papua (Bel): Stormin Normandy (R. Dutrow Jr./C. Velasquez) - 96
*Jefferson Cup (CD): Tizdejavu (G. Fox/G. Gomez) - 96
*Alphabet Soup (Pha): Auction Watch (S. Hendriks/K. Carmouche) - 95
*Spend a Buck (Mth): Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/E. Castro) - 95
*U Can Do It (Crc): Dixie Dreamer (M. Wolfson/J. Bridgmohan) - 94
*Mint Julep (CD): Dreaming of Anna (W. Catalano/G. Gomez) - 94
*Susan's Girl (Del): Weathered (K. Grusmark/A. Napravnik) - 94
*Oakland (GG): Bonfante (R. McAnally/F. Alvarado) - 93
*Great Lady M. (Hol): Silky Smooth (J. Mullins/R. Bejarano) - 93
*Floor Show (Del): Magical Forest (J. DeMola/R. Dominguez) - 92
*Free Press (AsD): Ronaldino (T. Jordan/A. Cuthbertson) - 92
*Eatontown (Mth): Social Queen (A. Goldberg/J. Lezcano) - 92
*Big Bubble (Crc): Mysterious Peintre - Fr (M. Wolfson/E. Trujillo) - 91
*Budweiser Emerald (EmD): Nationhood (M. Chambers/S. Martinez) - 91
*President's Cup (Lnn): Out Gamble (C. Washburn/Y. Yaranga) - 91
*Bernie Dowd (Mth): Luna Park (J. Tammaro III/C. Marquez Jr.) - 90
*Regret (CD): Pure Clan (R. Holthus/J. Leparoux) - 90
*Herald Gold Plate (StP): Teagues Fight (D. MacDonald/S. Heiler) - 90

*Sydney Gendelman Memorial (RD): Acts Like a King (K. Nemann/N. Solomon) - 89
*Georgia Oaks (Crc): Alpha Charmer (P. Gleaves/M. Cruz) - 89
*Acclaim (EvD): Ide Like a Double (B. Gilbert/K. Clark) - 89
*Ballade (WO): London Snow (J. Charalambous/S. Bahen) - 89
*Zadracarta (WO): Becky Sharp (A. Smith/R. Landry) - 88
*Jostle (Pha): Dulce Realidad (R. Vega/J. Flores) - 88
*Cyclones (PrM): Red Hot N Gold (K. Von Hemel/T. Thompson) - 87
*Minnesota H.P.B.A Mile (Cby): Lemonlime (A. Granitz/W. Martinez) - 86
*Bold Ruckus (WO): Stuck in Traffic (N. Gonzalez/D. Clark) - 86
*John D. Marsh (Cnl): Frisky Thunder (J. Murphy/E. Camacho) - 85
*Strawberry Morn (Hst): Lady Raj (T. Taylor/M. Gutierrez) - 84
*Alberta Derby (StP): Arkhill (C. MacPherson/R. Walcott) - 82
*Leave Me Alone (Crc): Orinoquia (R. Garcia/E. Nunez) - 80
*Victoria (WO): Southern Exchange (G. De Gannes/J. Jones) - 80

hockey2315 · #2 06-16-2008, 08:56 AM

The Churchill beyers seem off to me. . .

SilverRP · #3 06-16-2008, 09:07 AM

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

jcs11204 · #4 06-16-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

it is not enough.... especially with pyro being a 101

miraja2 · #5 06-16-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

it is not enough.... especially with pyro being a 101

Will you please explain to all of us how you think BSFs are generated, and also how you come up with your figures?
We need more post-of-the-year contenders, and I have confidence in you.

#6 06-16-2008, 09:42 AM

Please don't.

kgar311 · #7 06-16-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

Robby should of continuously whipped and drove the horse to the wire to achieve a higher speed figure. Winning handily just isnt enough now a days. According to the figures Curlin and Unbridled Belle would be a hell of a race. Bwahhh

blackthroatedwind · #8 06-16-2008, 10:01 AM

OK, deep breaths everyone, instead of the usual reacting without thinking, why don't you think about why Curlin got a seemingly low number ( considering his obvious talents ). Any chance the dawdling pace played a role in this?

miraja2 · #9 06-16-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Any chance the dawdling pace played a role in this?

Nope.
Pace schmace.
It is easier to simply ignore things like pace - and final times - altogether. Then you are free to assign various numbers to horses based only on how much you "liked" the horse going into the race.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 06-16-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

OK, deep breaths everyone, instead of the usual reacting without thinking, why don't you think about why Curlin got a seemingly low number ( considering his obvious talents ). Any chance the dawdling pace played a role in this?

I don't think the pace was that much of a factor in Curlin not being able to run to his best form.

Mambo in Seattle rallied from 7th to win an 8.5 furlong ALW race with a 96 Beyer earlier on in the card - closing into fractions of 25.65 and 49.72 in a race void of pace.

All the other two turn dirt route races all featured pokey fractions as well. You don't exactly have to do much to beat horses like Einstein and Grasshopper on the dirt.

I had a hunch that they would split the variant in the 8.5 furlong races and 9 furlong races - but they didn't.

SilverRP · #11 06-16-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Robby should of continuously whipped and drove the horse to the wire to achieve a higher speed figure. Winning handily just isnt enough now a days. According to the figures Curlin and Unbridled Belle would be a hell of a race. Bwahhh

Got that right... Anyway, since the #1 4 year old got a weak 105 beyer, I guess that means this 4 year old crop is all a bunch of turds.... right?? isn't this the best way to look at it? I mean, that's how we are supposed to rate horses nowadays.... Curlin with a 105?? what a joke

#12 06-16-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Got that right... Anyway, since the #1 4 year old got a weak 105 beyer, I guess that means this 4 year old crop is all a bunch of turds.... right?? isn't this the best way to look at it? I mean, that's how we are supposed to rate horses nowadays.... Curlin with a 105?? what a joke

Outside of him the older division on dirt is a bunch of festering turds.

the_fat_man · #13 06-16-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Got that right... Anyway, since the #1 4 year old got a weak 105 beyer, I guess that means this 4 year old crop is all a bunch of turds.... right?? isn't this the best way to look at it? I mean, that's how we are supposed to rate horses nowadays.... Curlin with a 105?? what a joke

Sounds like you're ALMOST ready for a conceptual shift. A handicapping revolution of sorts. Shake free from the shackles of figures all together.

Kasept · #14 06-16-2008, 10:06 AM

CD DIRT ROUTES SATURDAY:

Race 2 (f-AlwN2X, 3+, 1m) 23.27 46.40 1:10.94 1:23.09 1:35.78

Race 4 (AlwN2X, 3+, 1 1/16) 25.65 49.72 1:13.70 1:37.80 1:43.98

Race 6 (f-FlrDLisHG2 3+, 1 1/8) 24.78 49.69 1:13.67 1:37.91 1:50.88

Race 8 (NrtDncG3, 3yo, 1 1/16) 24.88 48.83 1:13.08 1:37.23 1:43.53

FOSTER FRACTIONS: 25.01 49.28 1:13.41 1:37.39 1:49.68

jcs11204 · #15 06-16-2008, 10:07 AM

what was mambo in seattles beyer ? he is a serious 3 yr old.

jcs11204 · #16 06-16-2008, 10:20 AM

he is.... last race before sat. the horse he beat came back to cruise last week at churchill, the group of OLDER horses he beat saturday was not that bad.