Who's more incompetent: NYRA Stewards or Gabe Saez?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

One of the most awful rides you'll ever see - and one of the most idiotic DQ's you'll ever see.

It was a real joy to watch all that happen!

Alan Garcia did ride a brilliant race - and that is actually the first time I've ever seen a rider get put up a placing who did that much race riding from the break to the 1/8th pole.

[the_fat_man]

Can't get any worse than the NYC stewards. They get my vote by default. They proved their worth yet again today. Nice being able to continually **** UP and not having to answer to anyone.

[KirisClown]

Saez is a genius in comparison to any living Steward....

[Betsy]

I'm a Music Note fan who thinks the filly would likely have won anyway, BUT.......the stewards are incompetent. Why did PS get DQ'd? I don't get it. I thought the stewards were out of their minds when they didn't DQ Monastic Springs a few weeks ago, even though he came over on at least two horses.

[Pedigree Ann]

Had to know it wasn't Proud Spell's day when she put her nose to the ground coming out of the gate.

[King Glorious]

As if Music Note came away perfectly.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Had to know it wasn't Proud Spell's day when she put her nose to the ground coming out of the gate.

Music Note stumbled, too. I guess anytime an odds on favorite loses, there has to be a reason, but going into the race, MN was a legitimately talented horse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

Do you consider Saez' ride lousy because he kept her to the inside? I always thought that if a jock assumed he was on the best horse, he'd rather be wide and in the clear........

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

I think the NYRA Stewards were paying Mclaughlin back for missing a very nasty incident a couple of weeks ago when Cornelio was bumped and practically put a Mclaughlin/Garcia horse over the rail. Garcia claimed foul, they called the race official before he got off the horse. I know there was a hearing about it. Not that Saez didn't deserve something for that ride but I agree I don't think it was all that critical.

[parsixfarms]

On that one, I thought they got it right. Most of the problems were not caused by Monastic Springs, but by the horse that finished second (drifted causing chain reaction in which MS was involved).

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

One of the most awful rides you'll ever see - and one of the most idiotic DQ's you'll ever see.

It was a real joy to watch all that happen!

Alan Garcia did ride a brilliant race - and that is actually the first time I've ever seen a rider get put up a placing who did that much race riding from the break to the 1/8th pole.

This is exactly the kind of thing that Vic S. was asking the DT community about the only difference being this was NY and that Vic was asking what the fans want from California stewards when a ruling is made that alters the order of finish. In california you get the telestrator explanation with a narrative.

Of course if the NY stewards tried to explain, as California does, what they were doing and why the order of finish changed in this race it is likely more controversy would lead to even more outrage than the silence of a strange and almost dirty looking ruling.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by docicu3

almost dirty looking ruling.

Almost?

1st garcia does everything he can to take proud spell out of the exacta, and then the stewards take her down when garcia screws up. The only thing more convincing would be evidence that there was tampering with the starting gate area in front of post positions 1 and 2.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Almost?

1st garcia does everything he can to take proud spell out of the exacta, and then the stewards take her down when garcia screws up. The only thing more convincing would be evidence that there was tampering with the starting gate area in front of post positions 1 and 2.

Garcia almost puts Proud Spell and Saez through the fence exiting the turn...drift out running into the Hamsa horse in upper stretch...then starts turning inward after that initiating contact with Proud Spell in mid stretch as Proud Spell was drifting out slightly at that point but not as pronounced as the Garcia horse was bearing inward...then right at the end, Proud Spell drifts out badly but still accelerating away from the Garcia horse and Saez gets dq'd. It's quite upsetting for those of us who had exacta money on Proud Spell and Music Note and bridge jumper place money on Proud Spell!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the kind of thing that Vic S. was asking the DT community about the only difference being this was NY and that Vic was asking what the fans want from California stewards when a ruling is made that alters the order of finish. In california you get the telestrator explanation with a narrative.

Of course if the NY stewards tried to explain, as California does, what they were doing and why the order of finish changed in this race it is likely more controversy would lead to even more outrage than the silence of a strange and almost dirty looking ruling.

I would love to hear the stewards say:

"after reviewing the replay - we have concluded that Garcia almost fouled Saez on three seperate occasions but in our view he didn't quite cross the line each time. Even though they were at meaningful stages of the race and clearly hurt Proud Spell's chances - it was just good ruthless race riding by Garcia. Each time he walked the line - but didn't cross it.

However, when Proud Spell came out in the final 1/16th - he bumped Garcia's mount some as he exploded by her. Though that incident had no impact on the outcome - we believe he crossed the line just enough to warrent a dq."

That would go over very well with the bettors.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would love to hear the stewards say:

"after reviewing the replay - we have concluded that Garcia almost fouled Saez on three seperate occasions but in our view he didn't quite cross the line each time. Even though they were at meaningful stages of the race and clearly hurt Proud Spell's chances - it was just good ruthless race riding by Garcia. Each time he walked the line - but didn't cross it.

However, when Proud Spell came out in the final 1/16th - he bumped Garcia's mount some as he exploded by her. Though that incident had no impact on the outcome - we believe he crossed the line just enough to warrent a dq."

That would go over very well with the bettors.

i value your opinion....
so with a clean trip, does proud spell win ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i value your opinion....
so with a clean trip, does proud spell win ?

I don't know.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would love to hear the stewards say:

"after reviewing the replay - we have concluded that Garcia almost fouled Saez on three seperate occasions but in our view he didn't quite cross the line each time. Even though they were at meaningful stages of the race and clearly hurt Proud Spell's chances - it was just good ruthless race riding by Garcia. Each time he walked the line - but didn't cross it.

However, when Proud Spell came out in the final 1/16th - he bumped Garcia's mount some as he exploded by her. Though that incident had no impact on the outcome - we believe he crossed the line just enough to warrent a dq."

That would go over very well with the bettors.

that is quite funny!

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would love to hear the stewards say:

"after reviewing the replay - we have concluded that Garcia almost fouled Saez on three seperate occasions but in our view he didn't quite cross the line each time. Even though they were at meaningful stages of the race and clearly hurt Proud Spell's chances - it was just good ruthless race riding by Garcia. Each time he walked the line - but didn't cross it.

However, when Proud Spell came out in the final 1/16th - he bumped Garcia's mount some as he exploded by her. Though that incident had no impact on the outcome - we believe he crossed the line just enough to warrent a dq."

That would go over very well with the bettors.

Exactly.....we could have an Andy segment. "Stupid Steward Screwups"....brought to you by "NYRA rewards"....eclipse awards would have to be added ......great stuff!!

You got a 4 horse race, and 3 out of the 4 stumble, two almost to the knees.
What the heck?
Did a little ground squirrel get in the dirt and root around in the ground in that gate?