Cubs get HARDEN

[SCUDSBROTHER]

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A's are really a whore organization. 9 games above .500, and they do that s-h-i-t. I like the pick up of Gaudin almost as much as Harden. You needed some better bridge in the 6th-8th to get you to the Woods.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902

A's are really a whore organization. 9 games above .500, and they do that s-h-i-t.

And it isn't a rental, get 1.5 years, and maybe more....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902

A's are really a whore organization. 9 games above .500, and they do that s-h-i-t. I like the pick up of Gaudin almost as much as Harden. You needed some better bridge in the 6th-8th to get you to the Woods.

Yeah those pitchers that A's get rid of really excell in other places...Like Zito, Mulder...even Hudson hasnt been nearly as effective outside of Oakland.

Do you really think they have a chance to compete down the stretch? They are 6 behind the Angels and have no shot to get the Wild Card. They get a good young (22) lefty and some replacement parts for Harden who has never had a full season without getting hurt and a pitcher that they dont need and who has very little value alone.

OTTH, This is a great deal for the Cubs IF Harden stays healthy. And at least they have Gaudin to fill in if he doesnt. Gaudin is about as average as you can be. He does have 4 errors in 62 innings this year which is pretty bad for a pitcher.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah those pitchers that A's get rid of really excell in other places...Like Zito, Mulder...even Hudson hasnt been nearly as effective outside of Oakland.

Do you really think they have a chance to compete down the stretch? They are 6 behind the Angels and have no shot to get the Wild Card. They get a good young (22) lefty and some replacement parts for Harden who has never had a full season without getting hurt and a pitcher that they dont need and who has very little value alone.

OTTH, This is a great deal for the Cubs IF Harden stays healthy. And at least they have Gaudin to fill in if he doesnt. Gaudin is about as average as you can be. He does have 4 errors in 62 innings this year which is pretty bad for a pitcher.

Gallagher wasn't a lefty, but he is solid, he will be a good #4, and maybe a 3.

Patterson is GARBAGE, Murton gets a chance to prove what he says he can do and no idea about the other one, but obviously became expendable with Soto's success

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Gallagher wasn't a lefty, but he is solid, he will be a good #4, and maybe a 3.

Patterson is GARBAGE, Murton gets a chance to prove what he says he can do and no idea about the other one, but obviously became expendable with Soto's success

I was thinking about Hill

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was thinking about Hill

They sent him to A ball, and then A ball just sent him home for two weeks.

I guess the last two outings have been alot better

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

They sent him to A ball, and then A ball just sent him home for two weeks.

I guess the last two outings have been alot better

I watched him against Pittsburgh earlier in the season and it looked like he had no idea where the ball was going. Then he would fire one right down the middle and they would launch them. He may have gone down after that. He looks like he can be the next Andy Pettite sometimes.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah those pitchers that A's get rid of really excell in other places...Like Zito, Mulder...even Hudson hasnt been nearly as effective outside of Oakland.

Do you really think they have a chance to compete down the stretch? They are 6 behind the Angels and have no shot to get the Wild Card. They get a good young (22) lefty and some replacement parts for Harden who has never had a full season without getting hurt and a pitcher that they dont need and who has very little value alone.

OTTH, This is a great deal for the Cubs IF Harden stays healthy. And at least they have Gaudin to fill in if he doesnt. Gaudin is about as average as you can be. He does have 4 errors in 62 innings this year which is pretty bad for a pitcher.

Yes,they had a chance at the Wild Card(3 1/2 back,) and we aren't even to the Allstar break. Probable? No..Chance..yes. Your saying that they have no shot at it is a lie, a poor opinion, or an exaggeration....I have no idea why you bring up the pitchers Oakland used to have. Fact is they did good in Oakland. It's a huge ballpark with a lot of foul territory. They may still have been doing well there if Oakland still had them. Now, lets talk about what the A's are getting. The main player is a starting pitcher who has finished 7 innings 1 time, and it doesn't count (cuz against Dodger s-h-i-t bats.) He is routinely throwing 111-120 pitches, and going out after 5 or 6 innings. His 4 wins were all at home against bad road teams(3 of which are in the NL WEST ) The only reason the A's are making this deal is to get people they won't have to pay much for 5 years. These are their whore ways. They get young pitchers that they don't have to pay, and they let them play in a park that suits pitchers well. Commissioner should veto the trade, and tell that A's organization to "compete you filthy whores." Are you, or are you not the Chucksta who said this Andruw Jones was gunna hit 31 home runs? All while having to play half his games in the tough hitting yard called Dodger Stadium? What say you? He has 50 strike outs in less than 150 at bats. He has 2 home runs. Now you pat the A's on the back for being good at whore activity.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"OTTH, This is a great deal for the Cubs IF Harden stays healthy. And at least they have Gaudin to fill in if he doesnt. "

If I want something sold, I know where to go. Somehow I knew you could make it good for both parties involved. Did you ever consider law school? You a twister.

[declansharbor]

Does Bob Bean still run that ship out there?

and they have absolute no shot whatsoever to catch the Angels...What a well rounded team the Angels are...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Does Bob Bean still run that ship out there?

Yes, only this pimp could do this, and then say that the organization isn't selling. Of course ya selling (ya pimp.) He and De PODESTA are stink-pool scum.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yes,they had a chance at the Wild Card(3 1/2 back,) and we aren't even to the Allstar break. Probable? No..Chance..yes. Your saying that they have no shot at it is a lie, a poor opinion, or an exaggeration....I have no idea why you bring up the pitchers Oakland used to have. Fact is they did good in Oakland. It's a huge ballpark with a lot of foul territory. They may still have been doing well there if Oakland still had them. Now, lets talk about what the A's are getting. The main player is a starting pitcher who has finished 7 innings 1 time, and it doesn't count (cuz against Dodger s-h-i-t bats.) He is routinely throwing 111-120 pitches, and going out after 5 or 6 innings. His 4 wins were all at home against bad road teams(3 of which are in the NL WEST ) The only reason the A's are making this deal is to get people they won't have to pay much for 5 years. These are their whore ways. They get young pitchers that they don't have to pay, and they let them play in a park that suits pitchers well. Commissioner should veto the trade, and tell that A's organization to "compete you filthy whores." Are you, or are you not the Chucksta who said this Andruw Jones was gunna hit 31 home runs? All while having to play half his games in the tough hitting yard called Dodger Stadium? What say you? He has 50 strike outs in less than 150 at bats. He has 2 home runs. Now you pat the A's on the back for being good at whore activity.

You think they are going to catch Boston, or Tampa or the Angels? Why not get rid of a guy who does nothing but breakdown for a live 22 year old guy, a guy who may yet turn it around (Murton) and a couple of guys for depth? They HAVE NO CHANCE to make the playoffs. They have played far above their talent level this far and Beane knows it wont last. He has a proven track record of getting rid of players at their peak, they usually go the other way when they leave. That they dont have the finances to compete against the bigger market teams is widely known. And why cant a trade work well for both teams? Ever heard of Volquez for Hamilton? Using the A Jones example kind of makes my point for me. That teams are better off getting RID OF high priced talent and going with the young guys...you know like Tampa and Minnesota?

[Scav]

Scuds, the Cubs didn't give up much in this deal. Patterson is GARBAGE, he is no better then his brother, except he is horrible at defense, Murton is servicable, and should get his shot to prove his so-called abilities now, I was never sold, and Gallagher is 'promising'. Cubs have the best doctors out there, HELL, they got Kerry Wood's shoulder to just magically heal, they might do wonders with Harden. And also, just imagine the psyche of Harden now, he knows he pitches well this year, that he will get PAID from the Cubs, he will get #1 type money and not have to be a #1.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

Scuds, the Cubs didn't give up much in this deal.

A's sure didn't get any proven talent, and they gave up a lot of proven talent. The A's want to get guys that have about 5 years until they have to pay them well. They love that. They gather them up and what they almost always get is some of the pitchers flourish in that pitcher's park. What they don't get on the cheap is enough playoff quality hitting to go anywhere special. They try to buy it with free agent gambles, and it rarely works(except for 2006.) Even in 2006, in the playoffs, once Thomas slumped, they had nowhere else to go. Their other playoff quality hitter did well(Bradley,) but their Walmart shopper hitters (their 500k a year types ) were flops at the plate. The main thing is that this guy running the show is filth. Treats underlings like crap, and has no loyalty. He will never get rings. So, that bitch can keep thinking he is doing something special, but he isn't. He keeps going nowhere, and is so proud that they are close to being something. No, you aren't close to being anything. Every time you get something you give it away, and then fkn lie n' say ya ain't selling. Your selling. You're a whore. Anything special you have is given away for not much. That's a whore. He's already folding up tent on the year(before the Allstar break.) Were they gunna win the Wild Card? After seeing them win practically every game in August 2006, I wouldn't of counted them out yet. The thing is that this whore is in such a hurry to move on to the future. If you think this guy has winning a ring on his mind, then you are insane. He never makes moves to do that. He gets a cheap team that plays decently, and nothing more. There is no maybe. They make no effort to gather enough talent to get a ring.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And why cant a trade work well for both teams?

Because 2 teams with records well over .500 are exchanging players of unequal value. If the A's had a losing record, then it wouldn't be a big deal to cut salary for the rest of the year. How can you advertise to people in the Bay Area to come out for the 1st part of next season when the G.M. gives some of the best talent away while being 9 games over .500? Fact is the fans want a good team more than the G.M. does. He is lucky an A's fan hasn't killed him already. THEIR FANS WOULD HAVE TO BE MASOCHISTS TO PUT UP WITH THIS HERE.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Because 2 teams with records well over .500 are exchanging players of unequal value. If the A's had a losing record, then it wouldn't be a big deal to cut salary for the rest of the year. How can you advertise to people in the Bay Area to come out for the 1st part of next season when the G.M. gives some of the best talent away while being 9 games over .500? Fact is the fans want a good team more than the G.M. does. He is lucky an A's fan hasn't killed him already. THEIR FANS WOULD HAVE TO BE MASOCHISTS TO PUT UP WITH THIS HERE.

I will be sure to bring this thread back when Harden hits the DL. You may be the only person outside of the players moms who think that Oakland could #1 make the playoffs and #2 win more than 1 game in them if by some miracle the red Sox and Angels planes crashed into each other. Nobody thought they would win 70 games THIS year. Doesnt the guy get credit for putting together a team that has vastly outperformed expectations? If you put a team together based on the fans desires you lose. How will the yankees feel in 2 more years when they have Posada on the payroll and he is lounging on the beach in PR? Sell high, buy low. Harden blows up next start and guess what? You get nothing for him.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902

A's are really a whore organization. 9 games above .500, and they do that s-h-i-t. I like the pick up of Gaudin almost as much as Harden. You needed some better bridge in the 6th-8th to get you to the Woods.

I agree I think Gaudin has a chance to a great edition to the pen, Marmol seems to have gotten over his little wild streak, I think both parts of the trade will be good. Harden stays healthy, he's got pretty nasty stuff.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I agree I think Gaudin has a chance to a great edition to the pen, Marmol seems to have gotten over his little wild streak, I think both parts of the trade will be good. Harden stays healthy, he's got pretty nasty stuff.

Gaudin was a nice part of the A's pin when they practically won every game in August 2006. Cub fans should be thrilled to get him. To me, giving up Gaudin for these players should have been enough. That's how quick Billy Whore is willing to sell people off for new people (who won't want much money to play.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The 6 mil the A's will save (for the rest of this season) will pay Chavez' salary. They probably bitch everyday about paying him 11 mil a year, and this takes care of that for the rest of the season. Big Hurt makes a lot, but not from the cheap A's. Remember they aren't paying him much

"Oakland will be on the hook only for about $337,000 -- a prorated share of the $390,000 league minimum -- so this move was a bargain for general manager Billy Beane and a club looking to boost its power numbers."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gaudin was a nice part of the A's pin when they practically won every game in August 2006. Cub fans should be thrilled to get him. To me, giving up Gaudin for these players should have been enough. That's how quick Billy Whore is willing to sell people off for new people (who won't want much money to play.)

Gaudin is not a very good pitcher, he is at best average and Oakland has a ton of young guys who have a lot more upside than him. He is a 6th inning reliever and spot starter.