Tale of Ekati to the Jerome

[ateamstupid]

Tale of Ekati, the Wood Memorial winner, worked five furlongs in 1:00.72 over Belmont's main track and will make his next start in the Grade 2, $150,000 Jerome Breeders' Cup Handicap going a mile here Oct. 5. Tale of Ekati is coming off a seventh-place finish in the Travers at 1 1/4 miles.

"Edgar [Prado] thinks he's a little bit better going a little bit shorter as opposed to a little bit longer, so we decided to shorten him up to a mile," Smullen said.

Really? He made middle moves and then retreated in six of seven two-turn races. Now you finally decide to cut him back to one turn when Edgar mentions something about distance?

Everything they've done with this horse since the Derby has been mind-boggling. I'm hoping he still has enough left in the tank to be as effective around one turn as I think he could've been.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? He made middle moves and then retreated in six of seven two-turn races. Now you finally decide to cut him back to one turn when Edgar mentions something about distance?

Everything they've done with this horse since the Derby has been mind-boggling. I'm hoping he still has enough left in the tank to be as effective around one turn as I think he could've been.

Super Mod...Super Fly...Super Trainer

[KirisClown]

His handling has been embarrassing...

Anyone smart enough to have a kindergarten diploma knew this horse wanted to go "a little bit shorter" for a long time now...

[reese]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

His handling has been embarrassing...

Anyone smart enough to have a kindergarten diploma knew this horse wanted to go "a little bit shorter" for a long time now...

The only embarrassing item here is your post. Another "computer-armchair trainer". How many horses have YOU trained? Ever won the KY Derby? The Wood? The Preakness?

Surely, TAGG knows his stock and thoroughbreds. Maybe THE OWNER of TOE wanted to race at SAR in the 1 1/4 mile TRAVERS. TOE won a G-1 at 1 1-18 miles

Tagg competes on the toughest circuit in the US. The only one clueless here is YOU.

"Also scheduled to appear is Kentucky Derby-winning trainer Barclay Tagg, who will stop by to discuss his 2008 Saratoga meet experiences. Tagg was the renowned trainer of Kentucky Derby winner and local hero Funny Cide, and trains Parting Glass Racing?s Dave, the New York Thoroughbred Breeder?s 2007 Male Turf Champion. Tagg is ranked 9th as a leading trainer at Saratoga this summer, with more than $406,530 in earnings to date."

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by reese

The only embarrassing item here is your post. Another "computer-armchair trainer". How many horses have YOU trained? Ever won the KY Derby? The Wood? The Preakness?

Surely, TAGG knows his stock and thoroughbreds. Maybe THE OWNER of TOE wanted to race at SAR in the 1 1/4 mile TRAVERS. TOE won a G-1 at 1 1-18 miles

Tagg competes on the toughest circuit in the US. The only one clueless here is YOU.

"Also scheduled to appear is Kentucky Derby-winning trainer Barclay Tagg, who will stop by to discuss his 2008 Saratoga meet experiences. Tagg was the renowned trainer of Kentucky Derby winner and local hero Funny Cide, and trains Parting Glass Racing?s Dave, the New York Thoroughbred Breeder?s 2007 Male Turf Champion. Tagg is ranked 9th as a leading trainer at Saratoga this summer, with more than $406,530 in earnings to date."

If you would quit typing through tears for two seconds and actually read, you'd see that KirisClown didn't say anything about TAGG.

I also was not blaming Tagg, but rather all of the connections since I don't know for sure who was pulling the strings.

Obviously, Tagg is a competent trainer. Who could possibly say otherwise in the face of that clipping from a Parting Glass Stable press release lauding Tagg's ninth-place standing at Saratoga. Well done, let's never question his credentials again, because he campaigned Dave.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by reese

How many horses have YOU trained? Ever won the KY Derby? The Wood? The Preakness?

I love that reasoning.

I guess since I've never been a president of any country, I'm not qualified to say if a president sucks or not.

Or since I've never run an oil company, I guess saying the oil companies are raping all of us would be another unqualified comment.

Banks? Hah!

Perhaps Kiri has something Tagg doesn't. A brain.

By the way, I knew Tagg was an idiot before The Fat Man's post on the other board! The crap that would come out of his big mouth when he was training Showing Up was quite unbelievable.

And don't you dare criticize me about this, since clearly you've never been me!

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by reese

The only embarrassing item here is your post. Another "computer-armchair trainer". How many horses have YOU trained? Ever won the KY Derby? The Wood? The Preakness?

Surely, TAGG knows his stock and thoroughbreds. Maybe THE OWNER of TOE wanted to race at SAR in the 1 1/4 mile TRAVERS. TOE won a G-1 at 1 1-18 miles

Tagg competes on the toughest circuit in the US. The only one clueless here is YOU.

Is this post a result of eating paint chips?

[the_fat_man]

you might find THIS interesting

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

you might find THIS interesting

How come you have an avatar on Pace?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm a little dense, but what was so interesting about that? Other than what Bob just asked.

He knew Tagg was a moron before everyone else.

I'd tell him to do a victory lap on his tricycle but then he wouldn't be able to sit the perfect trip with no one else to draft in behind.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Now that would be interesting to me at least.

I just hope Tagg can convince a few other trainers to shorten up their runners. If Visionaire can win a grade 1, there's hope for everyone.

Them is fighting words you bastar#.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know, my bad. You must have some phone that goes off at your house anytime someone sh.its on Visionaire. Like the Batphone.

Yes.....The Visionairephone. It has 2 ring tones:

Loud voice going " Thats a horrible opinion" = BTW is talking bad about The Mighty Visionaire


A Liberace song playing= Dahoss talking smack about Visionaire.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? He made middle moves and then retreated in six of seven two-turn races. Now you finally decide to cut him back to one turn when Edgar mentions something about distance?

Everything they've done with this horse since the Derby has been mind-boggling. I'm hoping he still has enough left in the tank to be as effective around one turn as I think he could've been.

He also won the Grade 1 Wood Memorial at 1 1/8 miles. Other than the King's Bishop, which obviously I feel he should have run in ( and would have won ), where was he getting a Grade 1 going shorter?

However, and more importantly, trainer's often take the heat for owner decisions. It's part of their job.

[ateamstupid]

This is why I said I don't agree with anything they've done SINCE the Derby. He did win the Wood (by outstaggering a gutted War Pass), but the decisions after his retreating fourth in the Derby to first go 12 furlongs, then run two more two-turn races, were laughable, IMO.

I obviously don't know whether it was Fipke or Tagg making those calls, but as you yourself said when I brought up - after the Derby - cutting him back, "doesn't it seem as if Tagg always wants his horses to go a distance of ground?"

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

go to grass?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He also won the Grade 1 Wood Memorial at 1 1/8 miles. Other than the King's Bishop, which obviously I feel he should have run in ( and would have won ), where was he getting a Grade 1 going shorter?

However, and more importantly, trainer's often take the heat for owner decisions. It's part of their job.

Please...he would not have won The Kings Bishop....he would have gotten ANOTHER ground saving trip and failed again. He got the dream trip of a lifetime in The Wood and still barely won. This horse hasnt run a good race all year.

You know who will crush him if they meet in The Jerome.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

He got the dream trip of a lifetime in The Wood and still barely won.

Court Vision got a dream trip in the Woodward. Tale of Ekati, as usual, made a middle move and got tired after the second turn, still managing to outstagger a fried pacesetter and a horrible closer in slow time.

To me, Tale of Ekati is like a poor man's Macho Again. Decent around two turns, would be very good around one.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Court Vision got a dream trip in the Woodward. Tale of Ekati, as usual, made a middle move and got tired after the second turn, still managing to outstagger a fried pacesetter and a horrible closer in slow time.

To me, Tale of Ekati is like a poor man's Macho Again. Decent around two turns, would be very good around one.

Explain something to me; at the broadest level.

If there's a race in which 3 of the top 5 horses, at the qtr and half mile calls, finish in the top 4, and the top 3 at the 6f and 8f calls finish 1-2-4, and only a single horse comes (way) off the pace, to finish 3rd, how is it that THAT horse got the perfect trip?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Explain something to me; at the broadest level.

If there's a race in which 3 of the top 5 horses, at the qtr and half mile calls, finish in the top 4, and the top 3 at the 6f and 8f calls finish 1-2-4, and only a single horse comes (way) off the pace, to finish 3rd, how is it that THAT horse got the perfect trip?

Do you really want me to 'explain', or are you just trying to get a debate going? To not think that Court Vision got a dream setup is to completely ignore fractions.

[ateamstupid]

Nice to see Visionaire's true colors when he doesn't have meltdown fractions to run at.

It's scary to think what Tale of Ekati would've done had he rightfully been kept around one turn.