Poor Boston, just can't get a break

Rudeboyelvis · #1 10-15-2008, 12:26 PM

The national media seems to all be in alignment with the notion (Harold Reynolds excluded) that if it weren't for the injuries to Beckett and Lowell, the loss of Manny and the injuries to Ortiz earlier in the year, this wouldn't be a contest. the only reason the Rays are dominating this team is because they are simply "exploiting a team ripe for the taking".

The same media that was giddy over the aquistion of Jason Bay, and how Manny would not be missed.

RE: Tom Verducci in Today's SI.com, another in the long line of the Boston apologists:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s/?eref=sircrc

>>>>1. The Rays have embarrassed the Red Sox by pounding their starting pitchers in Games 2, 3 and 4. Boston starters gave the team a total of only 12 2/3 innings in those three games while getting hammered for 18 runs and 28 baserunners. Ouch. But let's review whom the Sox sent to the mound in those games:

Game 2: Josh Beckett. Tore his oblique muscle in his final start of the regular season. Has been flipping the ball up to the plate with no velocity or finish on his pitches ever since. Highly hittable.

Game 3: Jon Lester. The 24-year-old lefthander now has thrown a whopping 76 1/3 more innings this season than last. It's stunning that a forward-thinking organization like Boston would extend a young pitcher like that -- Lester certainly will be on my 2009 Year-After Effect watch list to have a major regression next year -- but what were they to do? Lester was pitching great and looked strong and the rest of the rotation wasn't exactly sucking up innings to allow them to shut down Lester at any point. There were no signs that Lester was throwing with diminished stuff, but he seemed to hit the wall suddenly and hard in Game 3.

Game 4: Tim Wakefield. The guy had not thrown a pitch in 16 days. He is 42 years old. Ever since he threw a pitch to Aaron Boone in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, Wakefield is 1-4 with a 10.27 ERA in eight postseason games.

Bottom line: Tampa Bay exploited a Boston staff that was ripe for the taking. But by now it also should be obvious that the Rays are the better team.<<<<

LOL. I would hope it is obvious Tom, too bad he feels he needs a half of a page of excuses to qualify this remark.

What gets lost in the mix is the fact That Ortiz, Rameriez, and Lowell accounted for 1 Run during the 7 game sweep of the Red Sox at the Trop between the 2 series' in Apr and Jun. One Run.

Beckett, in 5 HEALTHY starts against the Rays this year went 2-1 (2 no decisions) ERA 4.08 - hardly a world beater.

Lester, who has benefitted from never seeing the pitchers mound of the Trop this year, has a bit more respectable record - again all at Fenway -
3-0 ERA 3.56. Appreciable, but hardly shutdown stats

Wakefield is a mess and the Rays have owned him all year, so the fact that he got rocked early should suprise no one.

Funny how no one was complaining when Longoria and Crawford missed most of the post All Star Break push to the AL East pennant, rather they stood at the ready, shovel in hand, to throw dirt over their chances.

Simply put - The Rays top to bottom - are a better, more complete team. The additions/subtractions to the Red Sox line up would have no effect on the outcome of the series, if the 2008 stats have anything to say about it.

Suck it up Boston, you're not facing the Indians this year - The Rays are better, and they are proving it.

#2 10-15-2008, 12:33 PM

Damn it. Now they'll come back and win. Couldn't you contain yourself for another 36 hours?

Scav · #3 10-15-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Damn it. Now they'll come back and win. Couldn't you contain yourself for another 36 hours?

Exactly...Rude doesn't understand the mush power and the potential disaster that he just created

Rudeboyelvis · #4 10-15-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Exactly...Rude doesn't understand the mush power and the potential disaster that he just created

Destiny can not be mushed, Scav. Plus I've got a line on possible tix for Games 6&7 here,

so it wouldn't be the end of the world if Boston manages to eke one out tomorrow (doubtful)

Rudeboyelvis · #5 10-15-2008, 01:11 PM

Actually looks like a throw away game to get Shields at home for a possible game 6:

>>>BOSTON -- The Tampa Bay Rays are making a pitching change for Game 5 of the American League Championship Series, turning to Scott Kazmir to start Thursday's game instead of James Shields<<<

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 10-15-2008, 01:18 PM

What are the odds now that are being given if ya play the sox to comeback?

Scav · #7 10-15-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Destiny can not be mushed, Scav. Plus I've got a line on possible tix for Games 6&7 here,

so it wouldn't be the end of the world if Boston manages to eke one out tomorrow (doubtful)

Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Rudeboyelvis · #8 10-15-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Relax. This isn't Chicago.

Bigsmc · #9 10-15-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Apparently oblivious to the power of the mush.....

Bigsmc · #10 10-15-2008, 02:10 PM

Sweet mother of God, mods, please delete this thread ASAP!

Mortimer · #11 10-15-2008, 02:17 PM

I just hope the Phillies win it all.

Charlie gets ripped all the time yet here they are again....I wish he were back in Cleveland ,but numbnuts drove him out for Wedgie.

horseofcourse · #12 10-15-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Suck it up Boston, you're not facing the Indians this year - The Rays are better, and they are proving it.

Now what exactly does that mean?? That the Red Sox weren't facing the Rays last year??

Rudeboyelvis · #13 10-15-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Now what exactly does that mean?? That the Red Sox weren't facing the Rays last year??

I have left. Morty can elaborate.

horseofcourse · #14 10-15-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I have left. Morty can elaborate.

That's fine. When the Rays win their 4th game this series, then they will be actually better. At this point they are exactly where Cleveland was last year.

ateamstupid · #15 10-15-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

That's fine. When the Rays win their 4th game this series, then they will be actually better. At this point they are exactly where Cleveland was last year.

Cleveland didn't kick the living crap out of Boston twice in a row in Fenway. I agree that this is all moot until the Rays actually win the ALCS, but you can't say they don't look like the better team right now.

Cannon Shell · #16 10-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Cleveland went directly into the tank about 15 minutes after my world series tickets arrived. I may have had something to do with it...