To Sleep at Night...

[joeydb]

I must vote for McCain. The other guy, as eloquently as he may deliver a speech, is a joke.

He mentions "hope" and "change" quite a bit, but never mentions "freedom". I believe that those who call him a Marxist or a Communist are more right than they are wrong.

McCain has an uphill fight to say the least. But imagine how angry I'd be if I helped to put the other guy in office when he and the filibuster-proof Democratic Congress ramrod every stupid idea they have down our throats.

That's it. Just expressing an opinion, though many here may disagree. That is your right...at least until Obama may take office.

Try to soak in all the memories you can of the freedom you once had.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I must vote for McCain. The other guy, as eloquently as he may deliver a speech, is a joke.

He mentions "hope" and "change" quite a bit, but never mentions "freedom". I believe that those who call him a Marxist or a Communist are more right than they are wrong.

McCain has an uphill fight to say the least. But imagine how angry I'd be if I helped to put the other guy in office when he and the filibuster-proof Democratic Congress ramrod every stupid idea they have down our throats.

That's it. Just expressing an opinion, though many here may disagree. That is your right...at least until Obama may take office.

Try to soak in all the memories you can of the freedom you once had.

You mean like wiretaps?

[joeydb]

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

How about the wiretaps that were done without a warrant?????????????

[joeydb]

One logistical problem:

Since the "wiretaps" in question were actually listening over-the-air to conversations where one party was outside of the U.S., how do you get a warrant and serve that warrant to the individual outside the U.S? This does not even take into account the fact that the conversation may last only a few minutes and it takes hours to get an explicit warrant.

Of course warrants are rightfully sought in 99% of criminal investigations, but what do you do in this case?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

One logistical problem:

Since the "wiretaps" in question were actually listening over-the-air to conversations where one party was outside of the U.S., how do you get a warrant and serve that warrant to the individual outside the U.S? This does not even take into account the fact that the conversation may last only a few minutes and it takes hours to get an explicit warrant.

Of course warrants are rightfully sought in 99% of criminal investigations, but what do you do in this case?

The wiretaps were made on phone calls placed to the united states. No logistical problem at all.

The wiretaps were illegal and unconstitutional. There really isnt anything to be debated.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

Where in the world do you come up with this garbage?

You understand that criminals are alot smarter then to be talking on the phone about blowing up a building or taking someone out. Haven't you seen the movie Casino where they are using code words on the phone or they are having their wives talk for 30 seconds and THEN they are having a conversation?

I am guessing you live in Nebraska and you just built a hurricane bunker there.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Scav

Where in the world do you come up with this garbage?

You understand that criminals are alot smarter then to be talking on the phone about blowing up a building or taking someone out. Haven't you seen the movie Casino where they are using code words on the phone or they are having their wives talk for 30 seconds and THEN they are having a conversation?

I am guessing you live in Nebraska and you just built a hurricane bunker there.

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

No numnuts, how about getting one step ahead of them and not two steps behind. Listening to trillions of phone calls a day is being like five steps behind them.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

We shouldn't let them into the country. We should of spent a lot of this money(we've spent in Iraq) on hi-tech ways to keep them out of our country. The people (they are making calls to in the U.S.) probably shouldn't be here to begin with.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I must vote for McCain. The other guy, as eloquently as he may deliver a speech, is a joke.

He mentions "hope" and "change" quite a bit, but never mentions "freedom". I believe that those who call him a Marxist or a Communist are more right than they are wrong.

McCain has an uphill fight to say the least. But imagine how angry I'd be if I helped to put the other guy in office when he and the filibuster-proof Democratic Congress ramrod every stupid idea they have down our throats.

That's it. Just expressing an opinion, though many here may disagree. That is your right...at least until Obama may take office.

Try to soak in all the memories you can of the freedom you once had.

It's this "End of the World as we know it" paranoia that people really feel will happen if Barack wins that gets me. Obviously there are differences of opinions on issues and that will always exist. But to think that our freedoms will be less if he wins? If you are Pro-choice, Pro gay rights, pro seperation of church and State one might think that McCain winning will actually lessen our freedoms.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's this "End of the World as we know it" paranoia that people really feel will happen if Barack wins that gets me. Obviously there are differences of opinions on issues and that will always exist. But to think that our freedoms will be less if he wins? If you are Pro-choice, Pro gay rights, pro seperation of church and State one might think that McCain winning will actually lessen our freedoms.

How is thinking that McCain will take away freedoms from gays and non-religious folks less paranoid? I see no evidence that he is anti-gay or very steeped in religion, or further that his faith would influence his performance in the office.

He is pro-life, so insomuch as Supreme Court selections are concerned, then yes, you might have disagreement. This is equally true for pro-lifers vis-a-vis Obama and his Supreme Court nominations.

It comes down to defense, law enforcement, low taxes, and otherwise a non-interference with citizens in their pursuit of happiness - right, left, gay, straight, whatever -- preserving the free country we have, while protecting us from those who really are a threat.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How is thinking that McCain will take away freedoms from gays and non-religious folks less paranoid? I see no evidence that he is anti-gay or very steeped in religion, or further that his faith would influence his performance in the office.

He is pro-life, so insomuch as Supreme Court selections are concerned, then yes, you might have disagreement. This is equally true for pro-lifers vis-a-vis Obama and his Supreme Court nominations.

It comes down to defense, law enforcement, low taxes, and otherwise a non-interference with citizens in their pursuit of happiness - right, left, gay, straight, whatever -- preserving the free country we have, while protecting us from those who really are a threat.

McCain will appoint Supreme Court judges like Scalia, Roberts, etc. THEY worry me. Palin is Pat Buchananon with boobs..SHE scares the hell out of me.

You mention a lot of topics that we probably disagree on politically..that's cool. Most of my friends are Republican and based on how much more money I'll be paying taxes if Barack wins, I probably should be too. But, the World will keep spinning if he wins and the paranoia and drama from the right equals how I felt 8 years ago when Bush won...except I was right to feel that way.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How is thinking that McCain will take away freedoms from gays and non-religious folks less paranoid? I see no evidence that he is anti-gay or very steeped in religion, or further that his faith would influence his performance in the office.

He is pro-life, so insomuch as Supreme Court selections are concerned, then yes, you might have disagreement. This is equally true for pro-lifers vis-a-vis Obama and his Supreme Court nominations.

It comes down to defense, law enforcement, low taxes, and otherwise a non-interference with citizens in their pursuit of happiness - right, left, gay, straight, whatever -- preserving the free country we have, while protecting us from those who really are a threat.

Well, Im not ready to give up freedom in the name of freedom. Somehow that doesnt make sense. Thats like beating your kids for playing rough.

The last eight years have been about fear...im ready for hope. If it doesnt work out, we can choose someone else in four years. I dont need four years to figure out that McCain is four more years of Bush.

[ateamstupid]

Gayest thread ever.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Gayest thread ever.

this thread belongs in Esoteric just by how lame the title is. "to sleep at night"

Joeydb, Mortimer awaits.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I must vote for McCain. The other guy, as eloquently as he may deliver a speech, is a joke.

He mentions "hope" and "change" quite a bit, but never mentions "freedom". I believe that those who call him a Marxist or a Communist are more right than they are wrong.

McCain has an uphill fight to say the least. But imagine how angry I'd be if I helped to put the other guy in office when he and the filibuster-proof Democratic Congress ramrod every stupid idea they have down our throats.

That's it. Just expressing an opinion, though many here may disagree. That is your right...at least until Obama may take office.

Try to soak in all the memories you can of the freedom you once had.

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