Andy Beyer, Dutrow, DRF

[justindew]

I have never seen a news article written by a reporter for a publication about the response to a column that appeared in said publication. It seems like DRF is trying to offer some kind of apology for Beyer's column, which is ridiculous if that is in fact what they are doing. Dutrow's response to Beyer's column is not news. His explanation for the horse's turnaround IS, however. But DRF making Beyer's column the focus of this article seems odd to me.

I also think it's totally disingenuous for Dutrow and Walder to suggest that Beyer should not have written what he wrote without gathering all the facts or visiting the barns in question. As if Beyer would have snooped around and found drugs in the barn. Plus, Beyer's column was based on years and years of his own analysis of stats which clearly back up his suggestion.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101362.html

[Riot]

If you publish a polarizing or opinionated editorial, and are facing what someone could be thinking of as lawsuit territory, wouldn't you allow that someone to have as many column inches as they desired, if that would make them happy?

We'll see if the connections end up on ATR (I didn't get to listen yet today)

If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you publish a polarizing or opinionated editorial, and are facing what someone could be thinking of as lawsuit territory, wouldn't you allow that someone to have as many column inches as they desired, if that would make them happy?

We'll see if the connections end up on ATR (I didn't get to listen yet today)

If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer.

Based on this, you might want to reconsider law school.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Based on this, you might want to reconsider law school.

I wrote: "If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer."

Do YOU think we will see that?

I don't.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Based on this, you might want to reconsider law school.

I'd like to see that trial on Court TV; or True TV whatever thay call that now .

[The Indomitable DrugS]

My favorite part was Marty Wolfson.

He wants Beyer to come down and visit his barn so he can show them all the legal treatments he does to improve horses.

He should be inviting Todd Pletcher and Bill Mott to his barn ... because Wolfson has made a mockery of those two hacks.

He's winning Graded Stakes with 113 Beyers sprinting - and winning million dollar races in blowout fashion routing - with a pair of horses who stunk when Pletcher had them.

Miesque's Approval goes from sad old claimer with Mott - two races later he blows em away in the Sunshine Millions Turf at 49/1.... a few months later he wins the BC Mile by daylight. A few months after that Miesque's Approval finishes 15th beaten 30 lengths on the turf in Dubai ... but hey, he did beat home last place finisher - former miracle claimer Lava Man - who was 16th by 40 in that same Dubai race. A couple horses who didn't seem so impressive racing without those precious legal meds.

However, I was sad to read that John Ward and Joe Orseno are upset.

[pweizer]

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pweizer

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

I assume you were referring to Riot's post.....as I searched this thread and that was the closest I could find to an " attack. "

Was something deleted?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Must I have to meet O.J. Simpson to know that he is guilty of murder?

He told me he didn't do it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He told me he didn't do it.

I have no doubt at all that's true

[justindew]

Originally Posted by pweizer

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

How is pointing out that certain trainers, some of whom have been disciplined for drug infractions, are able to bring about unprecedented turnarounds in horses they just obtained and as a result some people assume drugs are involved an "attack"?

Find one false statement in Beyer's column.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by pweizer

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

Um, Sir:

Did you ever see Miesques Approval in the paddock before the BC, Sunshine Millions, or one of the other stakes races he won? I mean see him up close? Put it this way, it reminded me of when Hulk Hogan played the character Thunderlips in Rocky III....took that robe off....you get the picture. Not to mention he was completely undone...I have never seen a horse act as insane as M.A.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In the interest of full disclosure, I thought I would point out the second of your five posts on this board ( two of which are in off topic ).....I was particular excited to see it was in a " Happy Birthday " thread....one for Riot in case anyone is confused.

Sorry to disappoint, Secret Agent guy, but that's not exactly a secret nor recent. Yes, when my friend Mike is at my house he will use my computer, and yes I make him use his own signon and not mine if he reads DT.

You might look at my posts from the past, where I've posted here when he was signed on, and my post showed up under his signon, and I've corrected it and posted it those were my words? (not Mike's)

And yeah, he's right to be pissed at your ignorant comments and too bad he didn't type what I heard him say out loud.

I've been a fan of this sport for a long, long time, and I certainly push enough money through the windows to have a very vested interest. I see the same situations everyone else does. That I dare to interpret them differently than you do, or even how many people here do - based upon my own knowledge, contacts and experience - well, get over it. You're free to keep commenting.

I don't get insulted to be called a gambler. You shouldn't be, either.

(checking three times to make sure I am signed on under my own account)

[AeWingnut]

someone once said that if you told them they were cheating - 60,000 people would line up to try and figure out with who.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well, first you said Wolfson never had numbers like the other guys beyer mentioned. That claim was proven incorrect. And surprisingly you failed to address it. Now, because Wolfson is a nice guy, he gets an exemption. I love it.

I don't get into pissing matches on the internet. They can't be won. People can say whatever they want about others they have never met. You apparently know him far better than I do.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pweizer

I don't get into pissing matches on the internet. They can't be won. People can say whatever they want about others they have never met. You apparently know him far better than I do.

Paul

You don't want to get into a pissing match, which I understand, but actually you are the only one in this thread that made unfair accusations. Don't you feel a need to answer to that?

[Scav]

Man oh man. Gotta love a 'drugs' conversation. Want to get a message board going, talk about drugs, jockeys, hilarious announcers, or bs horses.

The only people that know what is going on are the people themselves, and the people that possibly may be helping them. All of this is obvious statistical speculation, which can be considered strong. Personally I can only go off what I hear, my opinion is almost worthless when it comes to this topic.

I will say that the move ups of both MA and Its a Bird are quite interesting. Its a Bird couldn't win a race at Arlington Park last year and now he is winning 500k races. I don't know what he is doing, but whatever he is doing, it works.

[Riot]

This thread is exactly why all pre- and post-race testing, and the RMTC, should be eliminated.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good idea. Let's just put our collective heads in the sand and accept that the same few guys seem to perform miracle after miracle. because I'm sure these miracle workers aren't smart enough to figure out how to get by the tests.

Gamblers know who the cheaters are, and gamblers know the testing is an expensive waste of time that doesn't catch them.

[CSC]

Reality today is any horse that runs a big figure is going to be under a certain amount of suspicion was he juiced or not. Is it fair to paint all horses under the same umbrella? Probably not, but it is what it is, the same can be said for baseball, track & field, extreme fighting. The problem is not restricted to horseracing. My displeasure is with certain trainers that lash out when let's face it any horseplayer worth his or her salt knows they have cheated and are probably still cheating.