Farewell to The Ohio Derby

[Ogygian]

I have to admit when I first read this I was pissed, then I realized that the Ohio Derby is not what is used to be due to Thistledown not being what it used to be. I remember the days of Lost Code, Broad Brush, King Glorious, Demons Begone... then fast forward to a few years to Skip Away. Do to where I lived (Erie, Pa) it was the biggest race of the year that I could see with out driving too far...Commodore-Erie Downs was a dump...so at the time it was a thrill to go see the Derby. Back then the track was packed, the card was good...Rose Debartolo, met D Watne...
In recent years the I have watched the decline of Thistledown...moving the Derby all over the calendar...the past few years I wouldn't even go, which is aweful. The place is like a giant homeless shelter in the worst part of town, not to mention the quality of racing is pathetic.
A few weeks back, Steve had a caller from Cleveland say he go to Thistledowns to go "upstairs" to bet on the "high quality" racing and ignore the low level horses that run at the track. And there is where he hit the problem...no one wants to go to the track to watch a poor product, in the worst part of town, and in my opinion it is a lot easier to handicap quality racing then that junk. Hence we never see a great pick 4 play at Thistle or Retama in the selections.
I'm not sure what the answer is, it is aggravating and embarrassing.

[sdjcom]

if thistle closes maybe river downs can continue the race, and get a sponsorship to add some purse money to drawn some big time horses again.

[TheSpyder]

First of all, have to give a shout out to Brents Prince!

I grew up there and understand what you're saying, as did many on this board surprizingly enough. Remember the guy that always shouted at Rini?

Anyway, first, it's far from being a bad part of town, you're wa off there. Certainly not what it use to be as the pinnicle when the mall opened accross the street.

I do agree the cards are pitiful not so much due to quality, which has always been low, but rather not having enough stock to have full fields.

My friend still goes there many times a week and says TV's are out, lights are not being replaced, and the atmosphere is gloomy at best. The future looks certain if they do not get slots or some injection of money.

It was fun in the old days. I practically grew up there.

Spyder

[Ogygian]

It looks like a bomb went off around there, a war-zone,it is run down and an absolute shame. Lets put it this way, of all the places to raise a family in Cleveland...North Randall would have a very very hard time making the list. It makes you feel like you have to roll your windows up and lock your doors just driving thru. Now if the track was on the westside somewhere it may have been a different story...
I can't say I remember the guy that shouted Rini...at the time i was only 15 maybe...I just remember it being so much nicer then Erie/Commodore Downs...

[2MinsToPost]

River Downs is the best Ohio has to offer, and that is little at this point. They are still trying to push slots on the voters, and now with Penn National involved and there getting some support in the Capitol, who knows.

River Downs is a nice diamond in the rough, and I think in great part the reason why is its location. See Thistle and Beulah. River is far removed (not that far but far enough) from "the element".

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

River Downs is the best Ohio has to offer, and that is little at this point. They are still trying to push slots on the voters, and now with Penn National involved and there getting some support in the Capitol, who knows.

River Downs is a nice diamond in the rough, and I think in great part the reason why is its location. See Thistle and Beulah. River is far removed (not that far but far enough) from "the element".

Location is beautiful, quality is ugly. But you would be amazed at the weekend crowds they get, with people actually tailgating on the front row of the parking lot that has a front row view of the top of the stretch. I will always clamor they should put up lights and go to night racing.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

River Downs is the best Ohio has to offer, and that is little at this point. They are still trying to push slots on the voters, and now with Penn National involved and there getting some support in the Capitol, who knows.

River Downs is a nice diamond in the rough, and I think in great part the reason why is its location. See Thistle and Beulah. River is far removed (not that far but far enough) from "the element".

Bismuth?? or just simple carbon?? which one is designated as "the" element? I've never known.

oh wait...my bad...

http://www.theelementsite.com/

these guys terrorizing beulah and thistle?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I've been to many Ohio Derby's and many Prince Of Wales stakes at Fort Erie.

Shame to see them both go.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

First of all, have to give a shout out to Brents Prince!

I grew up there and understand what you're saying, as did many on this board surprizingly enough. Remember the guy that always shouted at Rini?

Anyway, first, it's far from being a bad part of town, you're wa off there. Certainly not what it use to be as the pinnicle when the mall opened accross the street.

I do agree the cards are pitiful not so much due to quality, which has always been low, but rather not having enough stock to have full fields.

My friend still goes there many times a week and says TV's are out, lights are not being replaced, and the atmosphere is gloomy at best. The future looks certain if they do not get slots or some injection of money.

It was fun in the old days. I practically grew up there.

Spyder

And as a fellow Clevelander, I lay blame for the demise of Northeastern Ohio thoroughbred racing firmly at the door of Eddie DeBartolo.

He, of San Francisco 49'er ownership "glory years" fame.

DeBartolo bought and trashed the legacy of every track in Northeastern Ohio as he assembled his "shopping mall" empire and tore down and eliminated Ohio tracks from the mid-1960's on.


Not that Ohio tracks ever had much of a legacy, but the DeBartolo family assured they did not.

[Indian Charlie]

You're from drErie?

And you admit this publicly?

Originally Posted by Ogygian

I have to admit when I first read this I was pissed, then I realized that the Ohio Derby is not what is used to be due to Thistledown not being what it used to be. I remember the days of Lost Code, Broad Brush, King Glorious, Demons Begone... then fast forward to a few years to Skip Away. Do to where I lived (Erie, Pa) it was the biggest race of the year that I could see with out driving too far...Commodore-Erie Downs was a dump...so at the time it was a thrill to go see the Derby. Back then the track was packed, the card was good...Rose Debartolo, met D Watne...
In recent years the I have watched the decline of Thistledown...moving the Derby all over the calendar...the past few years I wouldn't even go, which is aweful. The place is like a giant homeless shelter in the worst part of town, not to mention the quality of racing is pathetic.
A few weeks back, Steve had a caller from Cleveland say he go to Thistledowns to go "upstairs" to bet on the "high quality" racing and ignore the low level horses that run at the track. And there is where he hit the problem...no one wants to go to the track to watch a poor product, in the worst part of town, and in my opinion it is a lot easier to handicap quality racing then that junk. Hence we never see a great pick 4 play at Thistle or Retama in the selections.
I'm not sure what the answer is, it is aggravating and embarrassing.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by Ogygian

I have to admit when I first read this I was pissed, then I realized that the Ohio Derby is not what is used to be due to Thistledown not being what it used to be. I remember the days of Lost Code, Broad Brush, King Glorious, Demons Begone... then fast forward to a few years to Skip Away. Do to where I lived (Erie, Pa) it was the biggest race of the year that I could see with out driving too far...Commodore-Erie Downs was a dump...so at the time it was a thrill to go see the Derby. Back then the track was packed, the card was good...Rose Debartolo, met D Watne...
In recent years the I have watched the decline of Thistledown...moving the Derby all over the calendar...the past few years I wouldn't even go, which is aweful. The place is like a giant homeless shelter in the worst part of town, not to mention the quality of racing is pathetic.
A few weeks back, Steve had a caller from Cleveland say he go to Thistledowns to go "upstairs" to bet on the "high quality" racing and ignore the low level horses that run at the track. And there is where he hit the problem...no one wants to go to the track to watch a poor product, in the worst part of town, and in my opinion it is a lot easier to handicap quality racing then that junk. Hence we never see a great pick 4 play at Thistle or Retama in the selections.
I'm not sure what the answer is, it is aggravating and embarrassing.

Maybe Dennis "the menace" Kucinich should spend more time worrying about his home district than how the media loved "Yankees" are dealing with tax breaks?


As other posters have noted, Thistledown and The Ohio Derby have always been a "down on the farm" baseball team analogy for me in terms of thoroughbred racing.

And I'm from Cleveland, and an unabashed and probably longer term real thoroughbred fan than most here.


True story, a couple days after my mother died about 14 years ago, I stopped by the track for the first time in maybe 10 years. I was on my way to Cleveland Hopkins to catch a flight for work for the week on a contract in Hartford CT.

I only had about 90 minutes of action before I had to keep going from Thistledown to catch the flight.

I never really got along too well with my Mother. I'm sure most can write the same.

But in keeping with the true story, in my last race I could bet and still make the flight I looked up and asked if she could assist with my wager in her recently departed state.

I ended up with a $20 exacta box that paid a little over $80 on a $2 ticket.

I made my flight with about $1,000 in profits for my one hour or so at Thistledown that day.

True.

I've asked for her help on later occasions to no betting avail.

I think she got lucky that day.