Talamo

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I wonder if his riding performance today was enough to cost him the mount?

Mullins won't care ... but I'm not sure about the owners.

Everyone made a big deal about Talamo when he posted those good numbers at Fair Grounds in 2007 before he left for Southern Cal.

In FG dirt races in '07 - he was 66-for-354 for a good 19% win percentage. However - his ROI of $1.36 produced a 32% loss on the dollar - double the takeout. Very poor stuff.

I haven't been all that impressed with what I've seen of him out West either - I think he makes Joel Rosario look like Jerry Bailey.

Riders mean very little overall ... but it's probably better to take one less likely to screw things up when you can.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wonder if his riding performance today was enough to cost him the mount?

Mullins won't care ... but I'm not sure about the owners.

Everyone made a big deal about Talamo when he posted those good numbers at Fair Grounds in 2007 before he left for Southern Cal.

In FG dirt races in '07 - he was 66-for-354 for a good 19% win percentage. However - his ROI of $1.36 produced a 32% loss on the dollar - double the takeout. Very poor stuff.

I haven't been all that impressed with what I've seen of him out West either - I think he makes Joel Rosario look like Jerry Bailey.

Riders mean very little overall ... but it's probably better to take one less likely to screw things up when you can.

i only saw the race via the nj thing, so, what is it you saw that looked so bad?

you blame the start on him?

[CSC]

I never thought he was all that great even when he was the live bug rider, if he were replaced, I guess it wouldn't hurt the horse...Then again if Stu Elliot can win a derby, almost anyone else can.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

i only saw the race via the nj thing, so, what is it you saw that looked so bad?

you blame the start on him?

Nothing about his trip was smooth.

My knock on him is not so much that's he's a 19-year-old ... I just think he has the numbers of a guy who is very overrated. And from what I've seen visually - i've been FAR more impressed with other young riders out West like Rosario.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nothing about his trip was smooth.

My knock on him is not so much that's he's a 19-year-old ... I just think he has the numbers of a guy who is very overrated. And from what I've seen visually - i've been FAR more impressed with other young riders out West like Rosario.

One rider that does impress me is Daniel Centeno from Tampa Downs. He could be a factor once he decides to try a higher profile track.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

One rider that does impress me is Daniel Centeno from Tampa Downs. He could be a factor once he decides to try a higher profile track.

Centeno rode at Monmouth last year. He is no kid, I believe he is 37 or 38 years old.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Centeno rode at Monmouth last year. He is no kid, I believe he is 37 or 38 years old.

I think he also rode at Finger Lakes for a time also. I like him, he's a pretty solid rider, the times I've seen him go head to head with what some would call A list riders he didn't look out of place at all. He's got the same presence as Lezcano when he was leading rider at Tampa.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

No doubt he gained a lot from this race ... he took a whole lot of dirt and kickback and everything else.

Gryder just won the Dubai World Cup by 14 - so even mediocre jocks can stumble into perfect trips and they do. He just seems a little higher percentage to screw it and he's overrated from a performance versus expectation standpoint according to the numbers.

[eajinabi]

If anything Talamo shold be considered to ride for all IEAH mounts. Horse broke slow but the kid never rushed his horse an guided him throughout, shifted outside and never showed the stick. Very classy and patient ride by Talamo.

I have no idea why people blame him for the poor break.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No doubt he gained a lot from this race ... he took a whole lot of dirt and kickback and everything else.

Gryder just won the Dubai World Cup by 14 - so even mediocre jocks can stumble into perfect trips and they do. He just seems a little higher percentage to screw it and he's overrated from a performance versus expectation standpoint according to the numbers.

Or mediocre horses can get the golden trip , and have a rider that knew how to use it.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wonder if his riding performance today was enough to cost him the mount?

Mullins won't care ... but I'm not sure about the owners.

Everyone made a big deal about Talamo when he posted those good numbers at Fair Grounds in 2007 before he left for Southern Cal.

In FG dirt races in '07 - he was 66-for-354 for a good 19% win percentage. However - his ROI of $1.36 produced a 32% loss on the dollar - double the takeout. Very poor stuff.

I haven't been all that impressed with what I've seen of him out West either - I think he makes Joel Rosario look like Jerry Bailey.

Riders mean very little overall ... but it's probably better to take one less likely to screw things up when you can.

What impressed me about Talamo during that FG meet is the guy wouldn't give up. When most riders would have folded up on their mounts, Talamo kept driving and that made a difference in many exactas, tris, and supers, especially in the lowly last race on the card.

Heading to SoCal was a mistake. He should have stayed on the FG-Kee-CD-AP-Kee-CD-FG circuit until he gained some more experience.