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Old 08-07-2006, 12:58 PM
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Default What people are forgetting about Flower Alley

Flower Alley lost by 15 lengths last year to Borrego in his race right before the BC Classic. He then last by 1 to St. Liam on the same track in the BC Classic.

people should not speculate about this horse until he runs poorly in more than one race. He was not 100% for the Whitney.
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:59 PM
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couldn't agree more
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:02 PM
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Some good points. We are speculating as to what happened and his condition. Your input brings another perspective and that's what we're looking for. tx much.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:03 PM
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Same here, He seemed to be right w/ the pace most of the race and just got tired. He needs to be more fit. Sun King ran a very impressive race, Invasor was lucky to hang on.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:10 PM
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Yup, he was right there at the top of the stretch. It takes a lot longer to get in top shape than most people realize, that's for sure. It doesn't happen in a month or 2. It takes a while. The competition is fierce and the horses are great athletes.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:45 PM
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Yup, he was right there at the top of the stretch. It takes a lot longer to get in top shape than most people realize, that's for sure. It doesn't happen in a month or 2. It takes a while. The competition is fierce and the horses are great athletes.
Sumitas,
There is so much truth in what you say.
It's just so easy to get down on a trainer.
Most folks don't know what goes into it. It's waves, not straight lines.
First is the diet. You kind of "starve" them...not really, but hay and a little grain. Short easy works to start building muscle. Then, as the appetite develops, stronger works at a variety of distances, hotter feeds. By the time the race comes up, you just hope that everything you've put into prepping for that race comes true. It's diet and excercise...hoping that when the horse reaches "peak" it's at exactly the right time.
So much can go wrong along the way. The horse can sustain an injury (sometimes difficult to detect), or some kind soul can show up with a ton of carrots and mints to disrupt the feeding program. We've all seen horses get hurt in a morning breeze. Wind sprints and gate works??? Lots!
In a "nut shell", good trainers have the savy from so many previous lessons that when the target race comes along, the horse is a "monster", totally pumped and sound...at the top of the "peak" (wave).
Even then, a stupid ride can happen, or a bad step...and all the effort that's been invested is gone like a discarded ticket on the floor.
It's a tough game. Not just for the horses but also for everyone that tries everyday to make it happen.
If it was easy, I don't think many people would even try.
Nor would the horses.

Just my two pennies worth.

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Old 08-07-2006, 01:47 PM
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Sumitas,
There is so much truth in what you say.
It's just so easy to get down on a trainer.
Most folks don't know what goes into it. It's waves, not straight lines.
First is the diet. You kind of "starve" them...not really, but hay and a little grain. Short easy works to start building muscle. Then, as the appetite develops, stronger works at a variety of distances, hotter feeds. By the time the race comes up, you just hope that everything you've put into prepping for that race comes true. It's diet and excercise...hoping that when the horse reaches "peak" it's at exactly the right time.
So much can go wrong along the way. The horse can sustain an injury (sometimes difficult to detect), or some kind soul can show up with a ton of carrots and mints to disrupt the feeding program. We've all seen horses get hurt in a morning breeze. Wind sprints and gate works??? Lots!
In a "nut shell", good trainers have the savy from so many previous lessons that when the target race comes along, the horse is a "monster", totally pumped and sound...at the top of the "peak" (wave).
Even then, a stupid ride can happen, or a bad step...and all the effort that's been invested is gone like a discarded ticket on the floor.
It's a tough game. Not just for the horses but also for everyone that tries everyday to make it happen.
If it was easy, I don't think many people would even try.
Nor would the horses.

Just my two pennies worth.

DTS
Very informative. Learn something new. thanks.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:13 PM
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Same here, He seemed to be right w/ the pace most of the race and just got tired. He needs to be more fit. Sun King ran a very impressive race, Invasor was lucky to hang on.
Sun King has a problem winning races. That is 3 seconds in a row. Invasor knows how to win. That is 8 wins in 9 tries. Three grade 1 wins consecutively.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:19 PM
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Hoist.. you bring up some good points. Maybe as fan we're jaded. Either way, my gutt says somethings amiss. I guess we'll find out and I truly hope you're right and im wrong.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:19 PM
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Sun King has a problem winning races. That is 3 seconds in a row. Invasor knows how to win. That is 8 wins in 9 tries. Three grade 1 wins consecutively.

He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:23 PM
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He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.
from the drf. I agree.

"Ah, Sun King. You never disappoint. You're the greatest tease in the thoroughbred game. You never do anything wrong per se. You're not a tail swisher, or an ill-behaved buffoon, but you just can't find that extra oomph to win the big ones. It’s a combination of the Perfect Drift ‘hang’ mentality with the fact that you’re facing good horses. After all, Invasor and Silver Train are quality Grade 1 winners.

You sat a good trip in the Whitney despite the outside post. Sure, you swung six wide turning for home, but you had every chance to pass them all in the lane. And you almost did just that. Every handicapper has one, or two, or three thousand horses that they are “married” to. I’m not going to divorce Sun King, but the sun is setting on his career, and the competition should only get tougher. That elusive Grade 1 victory may remain just out of his reach."
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:25 PM
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He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.
Don't think you can consider him a hanger off of this performance, he was in front after the wire. He was MOVIN at the end, that isn't hanging in my opinion, I also think Invasor was dead tired at the end, Invasor has some SERIOUS fight in him, and lets keep in mind that while considered a 4 year old, he is a three old really. Southern Hemisphere breeding are a 'year' ahead, when they are really not, if they makes any sense

I am wondering how long until Candy Stripes starts coming to the states, if he hasn't already, there has been a ton of good strong gritty horses that have come to the US from him...
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