Vindication..........

#1 08-09-2006, 11:57 AM

Is anyone as excited as me to see how his babies will run?

slotdirt · #2 08-09-2006, 11:58 AM

Much more interested in Gibson County....

#3 08-09-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Is anyone as excited as me to see how his babies will run?

In fact, I am excited about this years freshman sires. Empire Maker, Sky Mesa, Mineshaft, Harlans Holiday--man what a crew that is. I love it. I am pumped.

Scav · #4 08-09-2006, 12:19 PM

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

#5 08-09-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

I got to see Sky Mesa at Three Chimneys and that horse is a monster. It dwarfed Smarty Jones and was almost just as big as Pint Given. In fact, Sky Mesa was bigger than Albert The Great.

slotdirt · #6 08-09-2006, 12:24 PM

Big horses don't always necessarily make great stallions. Cozzene is pretty small, IIRC, and how's he been at stud?

#7 08-09-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Big horses don't always necessarily make great stallions. Cozzene is pretty small, IIRC, and how's he been at stud?

Oh I know. I was just amazed at how big Sky Mesa was. The only time I saw the horse was when won at 2 at Keeneland. I was just a little shocked is all.

paisjpq · #8 08-09-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I got to see Sky Mesa at Three Chimneys and that horse is a monster. It dwarfed Smarty Jones and was almost just as big as Pint Given. In fact, Sky Mesa was bigger than Albert The Great.

not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog...

dr. fager · #9 08-09-2006, 12:26 PM

Anything from Unbridled is questionable too when it comes to soundness.

#10 08-09-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dr.fager

Anything from Unbridled is questionable too when it comes to soundness.

Isnt that the truth and isnt that a shame as well.

miraja2 · #11 08-09-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Three of those are the nuts..Harlan's Holiday, take it easy

I doubt Sky Mesa's will be sound. Anything with Pulpit is questionable. But Empire Maker and Mineshaft, they are going to throw some serious runners

Well, Harlan's Holiday IS a 3 time G1 winner who won graded stakes races at ages 2, 3, and 4 and is out of an Affirmed mare. He might not be up there with Mineshaft and Vindication, but I would not rule him out as a potentially good stallion.

#12 08-09-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Well, Harlan's Holiday IS a 3 time G1 winner who won graded stakes races at ages 2, 3, and 4 and is out of an Affirmed mare. He might not be up there with Mineshaft and Vindication, but I would not rule him out as a potentially good stallion.

He's got a family to impress as well. The Princessnesian/Alanesian/Alablue clan is a classy one. Dont forget, Boldnesian was a product of this family and I firmly believe some families produce stallions, others just dont. I always like to see a proven stallion of top quality in the mix on the bottom side when looking at a stallion prospect.

miraja2 · #13 08-09-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Is anyone as excited as me to see how his babies will run?

The short answer is.....yes. This horse had speed AND had a pedigree which suggested he would have been able to run all day, if he had made it to the longer 3yo races. By Seattle Slew and out of a graded stakes winning daughter of Strawberry Road, is pretty damn good.
Strawberry Road was at his best going 2000m - 2400m, where he won a number of G1s and G2s, and Seattle Slew was....well Seattle Slew. If bred to the right mares Vindication should be able to produce some quality classic-type horses, but he himself had enough speed to suggest his offspring might be versatile runners who could be good sprinters too. I don't think it will be long before he sires a G1 winner.

#14 08-09-2006, 03:34 PM

I hope you're correct and he certainly had the speed which is an important ingredient in being a successful stallion. I think the real key with him is going to be an introduction of as many lines of La Troienne as possible.

Vindication is tail-female to Adargatis, a daughter of Helene de Troie, which makes her a half to La Troienne. I know this linebreeding has been tried on numerous occasions and with very good success in quality. I believe, from a linebreeding perspective, this is the main key to his pedigree, along with the lines of Frizette and his lack of Mr. Prospector... he should do well with Mr. P line mares to bring an added Frizette line... arguably the main reason why Indy does so well with Mr. P mares.

miraja2 · #15 08-09-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Balletto

I hope you're correct and he certainly had the speed which is an important ingredient in being a successful stallion. I think the real key with him is going to be an introduction of as many lines of La Troienne as possible.

Vindication is tail-female to Adargatis, a daughter of Helene de Troie, which makes her a half to La Troienne. I know this linebreeding has been tried on numerous occasions and with very good success in quality. I believe, from a linebreeding perspective, this is the main key to his pedigree, along with the lines of Frizette and his lack of Mr. Prospector... he should do well with Mr. P line mares to bring an added Frizette line... arguably the main reason why Indy does so well with Mr. P mares.

I like ANY horse that lacks Mr. Prospector in his pedigree.

Cajungator26 · #16 08-09-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

The short answer is.....yes. This horse had speed AND had a pedigree which suggested he would have been able to run all day, if he had made it to the longer 3yo races. By Seattle Slew and out of a graded stakes winning daughter of Strawberry Road, is pretty damn good.
Strawberry Road was at his best going 2000m - 2400m, where he won a number of G1s and G2s, and Seattle Slew was....well Seattle Slew. If bred to the right mares Vindication should be able to produce some quality classic-type horses, but he himself had enough speed to suggest his offspring might be versatile runners who could be good sprinters too. I don't think it will be long before he sires a G1 winner.

He was bred to Silverbulletday in 2005.

Cajungator26 · #17 08-09-2006, 03:46 PM

Since we're discussing stallions, what do you guys think of this one?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4308090

Eventually, I will have a decent mare... eventually. LOL

slotdirt · #18 08-09-2006, 03:48 PM

Incidentally, Harlan's Holiday is just a fabulous looking animal. So is Medaglia D'Oro, for whatever that's worth.

#19 08-09-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Since we're discussing stallions, what do you guys think of this one?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4308090

Eventually, I will have a decent mare... eventually. LOL

His pedigree is ok for the regional market but I think there's better stallions in the Fl market for both racing and selling. With that said, i'd look for more lines of Pocahontas through Tom Rolfe, Chieftain, Alzao etc. It probably wouldnt hurt if he was sent some nice Notebook, Drone and Sir Wimborne mares to bring in more Cap and Bells.

miraja2 · #20 08-09-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

He was bred to Silverbulletday in 2005.

Well I would say that a mare that won 12 graded stakes races at distances of 8.5 furlongs or farther might be the right kind of mare to prouduce a classic winner. A BC Juvenile winner bred to a BC Juvenile Filly winner huh? Remind me to put a little cash on that horse in his or her 2yo debut!!