Direct evidence of Iranian involvement???

[somerfrost]

According to news reports, Israeli troops killed several elite Iranian "special forces types" today fighting with the terrorists...if true, that would seem to justify a declaration of war by Israel against Iran...thoughts??

Originally Posted by somerfrost

According to news reports, Israeli troops killed several elite Iranian "special forces types" today fighting with the terrorists...if true, that would seem to justify a declaration of war by Israel against Iran...thoughts??

Iran has already stated Israel should not exist. We know Iran and Syria have supplied weapons to terrorists groups and have trained them. After the world gets through with this mess in Lebanon... If we get things somehow straightened out in Iraq and Afghanistan, their time will come. It will be sanctions first of course. China and Russia will again abstain from voting on the resolutions. The Arab countries know Iran is out to make trouble which is helpful. Another hope is the fact that Iran has a significant percentage of their population that is totally against their current religious regime (totally unlike Lebanon where terrorists were welcomed). I think diplomacy will work much better in the Iranian situation, than it would have with Afghanistan or Iraq. Iran was on the verge of a modern day government. The momentum is still their, especially when all the other messes end.

Israel will be kindly asked to stay out of it, just like Israel did when Iraq launched Scuds (yes, they shot him all the way from LA) during the first gulf war with no provocation by Israel whatsoever (how soon people forget this). I would like to see the US stay out of a mess if missles were lauched against our country proper.

So the short. Israel will use this as evidence and stay away from Iran unless attacked directly from the country proper. Or they might try and take out the nuclear facilities at a later date, after the Lebanon mess is cleared. This one can wait I think.

[Downthestretch55]

There needs to be more proof required rather than Israel's say-so.
This could become much more dangerous in a very short while if the claim is proven to be true.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

There needs to be more proof required rather than Israel's say-so.
This could become much more dangerous in a very short while if the claim is proven to be true.

We know Iran and Syria have supplied weapons to terrorists groups and have trained them. This is clear. Iran having "advisors" in Lebanon is not that big an infraction compared to what is already known imo.

Both countries, Syria and Iran will come out losers after this is over. Syria probably less so if they comply. Iran may avoid all problems if the current regime shifts and they stop their enrichment program. Their will be more pressure on both these countries because of Lebanon, lots more.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We know Iran and Syria have supplied weapons to terrorists groups and have trained them. This is clear. Iran having "advisors" in Lebanon is not that big an infraction compared to what is already known imo.

Both countries, Syria and Iran will come out losers after this is over. Syria probably less so if they comply. Iran may avoid all problems if the current regime shifts and they stop their enrichment program. Their will be more pressure on both these countries because of Lebanon, lots more.

Pgardn,
Let me first say that I respect your opinions.
Both Iran and Syria will respond to your first sentence by stating that the US has supplied and trained the Israel Defense Force. This is also true.
I see no indication that Iran will halt their nuclear enrichment program. They might view this situation as,,,Israel has nuclear weapons, so we need to as well...(I'm not stating this as fact, just trying to "read" the mindset.)

As far as pressure on Syria and Iran (and I'm no fan of either), in this game of "brinkmanship", Israel and the US are perceived as being the ones that stand against the rest of the world. Seems to me that the pressure is on both adversaries. For now, Lebanon is the "side show" unfortunately. Israel's refusal to halt the aggression (whether justified or not) continues to compromise the US's credibility. We have few enough allies at this point.

As I said in my previous post, this situation holds the potential to to become much more dangerous in a very short time. I truely hope that doesn't happen, but it looks like events are escalating faster than "cool heads" can prevent.

[Nostradamus]

Sounds like another effort by Israel to get the US to fight a war for them. No thanks. Fight your own wars. Iran has done nothing to the US.

[KonaNative]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Sounds like another effort by Israel to get the US to fight a war for them. No thanks. Fight your own wars. Iran has done nothing to the US.

Huh?? What?? They took over our Embassy in Tehran....Wars have been started for less provocation. Hezbollah blew up the marines barracks in Beirut with Iranian backing and blessing.
Is that enough for you? If not,what will it take?

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
Let me first say that I respect your opinions.
Both Iran and Syria will respond to your first sentence by stating that the US has supplied and trained the Israel Defense Force. This is also true.
I see no indication that Iran will halt their nuclear enrichment program. They might view this situation as,,,Israel has nuclear weapons, so we need to as well...(I'm not stating this as fact, just trying to "read" the mindset.)

As far as pressure on Syria and Iran (and I'm no fan of either), in this game of "brinkmanship", Israel and the US are perceived as being the ones that stand against the rest of the world. Seems to me that the pressure is on both adversaries. For now, Lebanon is the "side show" unfortunately. Israel's refusal to halt the aggression (whether justified or not) continues to compromise the US's credibility. We have few enough allies at this point.

As I said in my previous post, this situation holds the potential to to become much more dangerous in a very short time. I truely hope that doesn't happen, but it looks like events are escalating faster than "cool heads" can prevent.

The huge difference is the IDF and Israel are not terrorist organizations. Israel has no reason to stop their current advance as long as their cities in the North are shelled at will. We all need to be very clear that the Israeli incursion should not be equated with Hezbollah shelling random cities in Israel. People get this confused. There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON imo. We all know how this started and we all know who the terrortists are. Good and Evil often have very blurry gray areas. THis current situation holds very little gray areas in my view, very little.
We can debate how all the horrible poverty that many of these current terrorists grew up in may have made them monsters, etc... I abhor the situations cause the desperation and lack of hope that leads to the acts. But right now, the monsters must be dealt with as monsters. Here and now. If the region ever prospers economically, there will be hope that this ends.
This is where I differ greatly with "liberals".
As an example. ONe can talk endlessly about why a kid totally disrupts a school environment, how his parents beat him, etc... but you still have to remove the kid from the classes that he disrupts... its not fair to the other students. He cannot be allowed to "bring the house down"
You have to deal with the house burning right in front of your face. Then deal with the faulty wiring systems that might make other houses burn in the same way. TAke care of immediate problems... cant just pontificate on the root causes.

And I am sad to say that it will take a giant wack of radiation to rid this region of the cancer that has been allowed to fester. God Lord, a group run by a madman is getting tens of thousands of missles and shelling innocent people. He has been building this arsenal for a long time. The tendrils of this evil run deep into the heart of Lebanon. Time for the removal. Its gonna get very ugly.
I think back on WWI and how it was never really resolved. It led right into WWII. WWII ended in a horrible mannner. But at least two countries, Germany and Japan have reaped the benifits of riding themselves of totalitarian regimes and the deaths they caused. It basically took total anhilation to lead to peace.

I dont think terrorism is some invention in the mind of George Bush. He may have dealt with it very poorly in some aspects. But it is alive and really is a world-wide challenge to be dealt with.