What is C BROWN UP TO?

[the_fat_man]

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

Could be different shoes? Or maybe acupuncture

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

A personal attack like this could cost you in the long run fatman, best if Steve took this crap off his web site. Let the detetion barns do their job buddy.

[the_fat_man]

It's just my observation. Why would C Brown or anyone else care what I have to say?

In the meantime, fire up some replays of Silver Timber's races last (and early this) year and check him out in the lane for yourself. You might be the one needing to retract his statement after that. You never know.

[Gander]

That was an awful field today. Just dreadful that that went down as a Graded stakes. The quality was nothing better than a 75K optional claimer. Capuano never wins in NY. Somebody had to win, why not the 2nd choice? Just an utter mess of the Jaipur.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

It's just my observation. Why would C Brown or anyone else care what I have to say?

In the meantime, fire up some replays of Silver Timber's races last (and early this) year and check him out in the lane for yourself. You might be the one needing to retract his statement after that. You never know.

i don't think chad brown worries about what you have to say

he improved the horse , happens evey day across tracks across america

steve- am i to believe that chad is beating the detention barns in ny is that what you are implying here?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i don't think chad brown worries about what you have to say

he improved the horse , happens evey day across tracks across america

steve- am i to believe that chad is beating the detention barns in ny is that what you are implying here?

The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

[SniperSB23]

I know there is a BC Turf Sprint now but has that somehow widened the gulf between stakes level turf sprinters and $25k claimers?

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

Be careful! Cheating is a strong word when you are assuming. Remember
you were wrong about Maram's location last year. Your inaccuracies should be kept to yourself!

[gales0678]

[QUOTE=the_fat_man]The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?[/quote]


then why have the detention barn at all , isn't it's primary reason in NY to stop cheating....are you telling us that it's ineffective and has holes in it that can be expolited?, if that's the case why have it at all , just for a public show?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by MisterB

A personal attack like this could cost you in the long run fatman, best if Steve took this crap off his web site. Let the detetion barns do their job buddy.

Why is this a personal attack?
These questions are the biggest part of this sport.
I think its a very valid ?..

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Why is this a personal attack?
These questions are the biggest part of this sport.
I think its a very valid ?..

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[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by turf fan

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

Your point, then, is that Brown is better with turf sprinters than Rice?

What do you guys think, I spend my days reading the SHEETS and STATS on Formulator?

Where's the outrage when Wolfson is accused of juicing? (Which happens just about every other week here.)

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Your point, then, is that Brown is better with turf sprinters than Rice?

What do you guys think, I spend my days reading the SHEETS and STATS on Formulator?

Where's the outrage when Wolfson is accused of juicing? (Which happens just about every other week here.)

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by turf fan

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

You're making my point. You improve a horse taken from a specialist, when you're not a specialist in that area, and you're really doing something, wouldn't you think?.

Latest figures I have for the year (not including today) per BRIS:

Brown

105 starters 22% winners

Rice

171 starters 25% winners


Hmmmm

more starters, higher win %

But I'll take your word for it that Brown 'runs a better operation'.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by turf fan

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

[Gaelic Storm]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

Didn't Silver Timber set track record at 5 1/2 on the turf at Saratoga?

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

I agree, it was the drugs

[freddymo]

CB wins with all types.

CB medicates all types