The sad cost of war

[GPK]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/us/02suicide.html?hp

"The number of suicides reported by the Army has risen to the highest level since record-keeping began three decades ago. Last year, there were 192 among active-duty soldiers and soldiers on inactive reserve status, twice as many as in 2003, when the war began. (Five more suspected suicides are still being investigated.) This year’s figure is likely to be even higher: from January to mid-July, 129 suicides were confirmed or suspected, more than the number of American soldiers who died in combat during the same period."

[SOREHOOF]

Suicide rates are going up across the board over the last 30 yrs. All walks of life. It must seem an acceptable option to some people who are in a bad state of mind. It is an act of rage. A very close friend of mine did that. Not cool.

The market is up, the printer is up, the suicides are up, unemployment is up.

Change we can believe in.

[SOREHOOF]

It's been going on longer than that.

[dellinger63]

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

i'm used to wild swings in the conversation and i'm good with the free flow of internet conversations.

i just want to make sure everyone else is at my level and no one would object if i post some random pictures of an interesting rock, a map of ecuador, and my nephew here in the "military suicide" thread.

i'll also be discussing cool music i like.

let me know.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm used to wild swings in the conversation and i'm good with the free flow of internet conversations.

i just want to make sure everyone else is at my level and no one would object if i post some random pictures of an interesting rock, a map of ecuador, and my nephew here in the "military suicide" thread.

i'll also be discussing cool music i like.

let me know.

I did mess up and intended to make a new thread. But go ahead and post that interesting rock you have.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about health care. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.) Yesterday I saw some fat White Trash interrupt a Congressman when he said "let me tell you the facts."

White Trash Momma: "No!!"

(congressman keeps trying to talk)

White Trash Momma: ..Why?"

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about healthcare. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.)

Very dictator like....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Very dictator like....

Yep. The trash that shows up disrupting these Town Hall Meetings does remind me of those thugs in Iran that get around on motorcycles.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yep. The trash that shows up disrupting these Town Hall Meetings does remind me of those thugs in Iran that get around on motorcycles.

Maybe Iran is where Obama got this crazy BIG BROTHER idea? He can't even release results of his own program (Cash for Clunkers rip-off) but wants citizens to report dissenters?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

Some are real people, some are being delivered to the Town Hall meetings with instructions on how to disrupt. The Dems are responding to this now by trying to spotlight it, as they did Palin and her more extreme wackjob followers.

Edit: I read somewhere that they might try restricting local town hall meetings to those that actually live in the District.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Some are real people, some are being delivered to the Town Hall meetings with instructions on how to disrupt. The Dems are responding to this now by trying to spotlight it, as they did Palin and her more extreme wackjob followers.

Edit: I read somewhere that they might try restricting local town hall meetings to those that actually live in the District.

Yeah what do ya know? Professional protesters. Right out of the Acorn/liberal/antitrade/antiwar playbook.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about health care. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.) Yesterday I saw some fat White Trash interrupt a Congressman when he said "let me tell you the facts."

White Trash Momma: "No!!"

(congressman keeps trying to talk)

White Trash Momma: ..Why?"

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

So what was Palin's lie? Cap and trade will be a big regressive tax that will hit people hardest who make well under $150/k a year. Same with healthcare. But the Obominator will smile and assure people their taxes won't go up. Just who in the hell do you think is going to pay for these policies that could bankrupt the country? I guess it will be the so-called white trash America that you speak of. Sounds like some racist issues on your part.

[Cannon Shell]

One of the biggest problems that our society has is that it is too willing to trust the mainstream media in regards to issues of the day. Far too many people dont have the patience or intellegence to actually understand what they are being fed is crap. At some point the news media stopped being journalists that took responsibility for what it reported and has morphed into what it is now which is more Pravda style. If Riot lived in N Korea she would believe that Kim Il Jong could kick Tiger Woods ass on the golf course.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rea_06_16.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

One of the biggest problems that our society has is that it is too willing to trust the mainstream media in regards to issues of the day. Far too many people dont have the patience or intellegence to actually understand what they are being fed is crap. At some point the news media stopped being journalists that took responsibility for what it reported and has morphed into what it is now which is more Pravda style. If Riot lived in N Korea she would believe that Kim Il Jong could kick Tiger Woods ass on the golf course.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rea_06_16.html

No argument but personal insult left, huh?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

Oh, please. There are alot of lies being told, repeatedly and publically - yes, by Republicans - about what the health care reform bill involves. The White House is meeting all the false allegations head on.

The lies are pretty sickening, indeed. Threatening older people that they will have to choose to die, because there will not be health care for them? Nauseating.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, please. There are alot of lies being told, repeatedly and publically - yes, by Republicans - about what the health care reform bill involves. The White House is meeting all the false allegations head on.

The lies are pretty sickening, indeed. Threatening older people that they will have to choose to die, because there will not be health care for them? Nauseating.

All you need to do is look at all the great success government has when it runs anything vs the private sector. Schools and the Post Office come immediately to mind. What's nauseating is watching a President talk of how all this preventative care will save money in between smoke breaks during which his obese nominee for surgeon general preaches the great cost obesity related illness has on all of us.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

All you need to do is look at all the great success government has when it runs anything vs the private sector. Schools and the Post Office come immediately to mind. What's nauseating is watching a President talk of how all this preventative care will save money in between smoke breaks during which his obese nominee for surgeon general preaches the great cost obesity related illness has on all of us.

What schools does the federal government run? ( edit: West Point?)

Local governments? Let's see, clean potable water, sewer service, garbage pickup, police and fire protection, snow clearing from roads, and excellent schools in many locations - all little niceties that make life liveable.

Federal? Medicare, Pell grants, veterans hospitals, Centers for Disease Control ...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What schools does the federal government run? ( edit: West Point?)

Local governments? Let's see, clean potable water, sewer service, garbage pickup, police and fire protection, snow clearing from roads, and excellent schools in many locations - all little niceties that make life liveable.

Federal? Medicare, Pell grants, veterans hospitals, Centers for Disease Control ...

From the (non-existent) U.S. Department of Education


ED currently administers a budget of $62.6 billion in regular FY 2009 discretionary appropriations and $96.8 billion in discretionary funding provided under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009—and operates programs that touch on every area and level of education.