Leading Trainer / Jockey 2 weeks to go

[gales0678]

2 weeks to go folks and we have a monumental upset in the making up at the old spa.

Linda Rice leads by two over Todd Pletcher , Rice has simply been on fire the first 4 weeks of the meet. She has an amazing 13 winners from 33 starters39% win percentage.

If she pulls this out over the giants (tp and wm) would this be considered one of the best training meets for anyone at saratoga ever ? How many will she need to win to pull this off? Can she do it or will her form revert to where it was before the meet when she batted 20 % at Belmont this spring?

Looks like it will come down to Garcia or Ramon. Will Garcia continue to win on Linda Rice's horses will that be the difference in the battle of the jocks? Will Ramon be able to overtake him in the last 2 weeks as he most surely will get a few more mounts ?

S/b a good 2 weeks

[robfla]

Originally Posted by gales0678

2 weeks to go folks and we have a monumental upset in the making up at the old spa.

Linda Rice leads by two over Todd Pletcher , Rice has simply been on fire the first 4 weeks of the meet. She has an amazing 13 winners from 33 starters39% win percentage.

If she pulls this out over the giants (tp and wm) would this be considered one of the best training meets for anyone at saratoga ever ? How many will she need to win to pull this off? Can she do it or will her form revert to where it was before the meet when she batted 20 % at Belmont this spring?

Looks like it will come down to Garcia or Ramon. Will Garcia continue to win on Linda Rice's horses will that be the difference in the battle of the jocks? Will Ramon be able to overtake him in the last 2 weeks as he most surely will get a few more mounts ?

S/b a good 2 weeks

what I find amazing is that 90 ( i think ) different trainers have won at least one race at the current meet

[Gander]

I heard she has new barns this year away from the NYRA grounds.

[Scav]

Here we go

[Gander]

13 for 33 = 39%

Pretty damn good but I dont think she can win the title because Todd will have too many horses going now that the big races are here.

I hope this comes down to the wire.

The suspense is killing me.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Gander

13 for 33 = 39%

Pretty damn good but I dont think she can win the title because Todd will have too many horses going now that the big races are here.

I hope this comes down to the wire.

It's less about Pletcher's horses in the big races than the seemingly endless number of horses that he's been dropping into claiming races to win with. During the last two years on the NYRA circuit, his winning percentage is over 20% with claimers; it's under 10% with stakes runners (thanks to Formulator).

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

I heard she has new barns this year away from the NYRA grounds.

i believe she was off the grounds last year as well Gander , steve might be able to shine some light on this, but for those of you not familar with Saratoga , NYRA does not have the capacity to house all the horses on it's grounds. At Belmont and the Big A there are no trainers with offsite barns, but , at Saratoga there are some trainers whose stalls are not on NYRA gorunds .... not to worry though the detention barn is still present in upstate NY as it is in Queens, and the horses still have to go into the detention barn before the races just like Belmont and the Big A

[postpicker]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i believe she was off the grounds last year as well Gander , steve might be able to shine some light on this, but for those of you not familar with Saratoga , NYRA does not have the capacity to house all the horses on it's grounds. At Belmont and the Big A there are no trainers with offsite barns, but , at Saratoga there are some trainers whose stalls are not on NYRA gorunds .... not to worry though the detention barn is still present in upstate NY as it is in Queens, and the horses still have to go into the detention barn before the races just like Belmont and the Big A

Linda is across Nelson avenue at the harness track. The barn is right by the entrance to walk across the street to Claire Court. Other trainers that are stabled at the harness track incluse Jeff Odintz, Rodrigo Ubillo, Greg DePrima, Bernardo Callejas and a barn full of horses for Gary Contessa.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by postpicker

Linda is across Nelson avenue at the harness track. The barn is right by the entrance to walk across the street to Claire Court. Other trainers that are stabled at the harness track incluse Jeff Odintz, Rodrigo Ubillo, Greg DePrima, Bernardo Callejas and a barn full of horses for Gary Contessa.

thx for the info postpicker i knew there were other trainers off of NYRA grounds as well during the meet, just didn't know who they were

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Linda Rice leads by two over Todd Pletcher.

I'd think Bill Mott's 10 wins merit a mention as being in the hunt.. And how about George Weaver (the real best story of the meet) and his 9 wins?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I'd think Bill Mott's 10 wins merit a mention as being in the hunt.. And how about George Weaver (the real best story of the meet) and his 9 wins?

steve take a look at my initial post i mention 2 giants (tp and wm) ....can she beat them? from a historical perspective what type of upset would this be if she were able to win the training title? .... would she become the "queen of sartoaga" and take away that cherished title from Mary Lou Whitney? would a part of Broadway be renamed the "Linda Rice Way"

while i agree that George Weaver is having a great meet , unless he can pass todd , bill mott and linda rice in the last 2 weeks , i'm afraid he will get lost (unjustly so) in the story.

if she pulls it off this would have to be the upset of the ages, kinda like when the americans beat the russians in lake placid in 1980

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve take a look at my initial post i mention 2 giants (tp and wm) ....can she beat them? from a historical perspective what type of upset would this be if she were able to win the training title? .... would she become the "queen of sartoaga" and take away that cherished title from Mary Lou Whitney? would a part of Broadway be renamed the "Linda Rice Way"

while i agree that George Weaver is having a great meet , unless he can pass todd , bill mott and linda rice in the last 2 weeks , i'm afraid he will get lost (unjustly so) in the story.

if she pulls it off this would have to be the upset of the ages, kinda like when the americans beat the russians in lake placid in 1980

Your making this bigger then it is, Im not signing into formulator now, but Linda Rice is very high percentage trainer all year long. She is also consistently best at turf sprints, where do they run the most turf sprints?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your making this bigger then it is, Im not signing into formulator now, but Linda Rice is very high percentage trainer all year long. She is also consistently best at turf sprints, where do they run the most turf sprints?

yes she is a high percentage trainer , i think she was 20% at belmont, but 40% is just amazing for the 4 weeks , and she is at a big dis-advantage against these giants Bill Mott and Tood Pletcher. Pletcher has started 77 horses so far this meet or nearly 133% more than Linda and still trails her by two. Bill Mott has 57 starters or nearly 72 % more starters than Linda. Thinks about that in a numbers perspective , if she were able to start as many as the guys and maintain the same winning % she would be home free by now with about 27 winners already

as for the turf sprints they are run a lot at saratoga, but , she has been winning on the dirt and stretching sprinters out on the grass for wins as well, truly remarkable

maybe drugs can run the numbers for us for turf sprints ,dirt races , and routes on the grass , she is firing on al cylinders and is poised to make a good run at this title with a modest size barn compared to TP and WM

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve take a look at my initial post i mention 2 giants (tp and wm) ....can she beat them? from a historical perspective what type of upset would this be if she were able to win the training title? .... would she become the "queen of sartoaga" and take away that cherished title from Mary Lou Whitney? would a part of Broadway be renamed the "Linda Rice Way"

while i agree that George Weaver is having a great meet , unless he can pass todd , bill mott and linda rice in the last 2 weeks , i'm afraid he will get lost (unjustly so) in the story.

if she pulls it off this would have to be the upset of the ages, kinda like when the americans beat the russians in lake placid in 1980

Yep, kind of like that!

There will be a movie about here starring Jennifer Aniston.

[postpicker]

It is amazing that so many trainers have won at Saratoga but Bruce Levine is 0 for 37, Tom Albatrani is 0 for 25 and Allen Jerkens was 0 for 25 at the meet so far.

The jockey race will be interesting. The key will be Alan Garcia's social life. His gf left town to return to school last wednesday. He went out sat night and was still at the nightclub "The Venue" at 3 am. Then he wasn't riding that great on sunday. He had a good night rest sunday night and he comes back strong monday. If Garcia behaves and keeps his social life under control and doesn't try to womanize, he will win the riding title. But if he goes out a lot, tries to pick up anything with a bra and panties and cleavage and short skirts, like he did during the Keeneland meet (he was 3 for 56 and lost riding priviledges for a major owner because of his after race activities), then Ramon will win the riding title.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by postpicker

He had a good night rest sunday night

I'm affraid to ask how you know this for sure.

[postpicker]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm affraid to ask how you know this for sure.

Reporters protect our sources but I can assure you, his actions are true (multiple eyewitnesses on sat) and there is a definite correlation with his social activities and how well he is or isn't riding. When you see Garcia standing up before wire, giving up early, making awful foul claims after an awful acting attempt, it is a safe assumption he wasn't in bed before the late news broadcast.

[the_fat_man]

He's a kid and he's at the SPA. Why shouldn't he enjoy himself?

When I don't get a good night sleep, my handicapping suffers. So ****in what?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by postpicker

Reporters protect our sources but I can assure you, his actions are true (multiple eyewitnesses on sat) and there is a definite correlation with his social activities and how well he is or isn't riding. When you see Garcia standing up before wire, giving up early, making awful foul claims after an awful acting attempt, it is a safe assumption he wasn't in bed before the late news broadcast.

In order to know he had a good night of rest ... you'd have either had to have been in the room while he slept or you would have had to ask someone that was sleeping with him how well he slept.

Probably a little carried way with in depth reporting I'd say.

I believe Dominguez is 2 wins behind ... but he will pull this thing out. He has 29 second place finishes to Garcia's 12 seconds ... and a lot of those 17 extra who kept there conditions will show up at a short price. Dominguez also has him well beaten with 3rd and 4ths.

Garcia is also riding way over his head. Winning at 22% with a $2.77 ROI through the first four weeks ... numbers that are extremely difficult to sustain. I realize the guy with the hottest hand will be the "live" rider .. but the few extra live mounts he gets for being hot won't be enough to put him over the top imo.