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Old 09-09-2009, 03:47 PM
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Default 9/12 (BEL): Ruffian H., Garden City S. (G1's)

4TH (2:35) Ruffian H. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Swift Temper Garcia Alan 118 L
2 Be Fair Gomez G K 112 L
3 Exotic Indy Velazquez J R 114 L
4 Seventh Street Maragh R 122 L
5 Luna Vega Bridgmohan S X 116 L
6 Skylighter Leparoux J R 116 L



8TH (4:43) Garden City S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Gozzip Girl Desormeaux K J 122 L
2 Katara Castellano J J 116 L
3 Don't Forget Gil Leparoux J R 118 L
4 Miss World Gomez G K 116 L
5 Many Kisses Luzzi M J 116 L
6 Shared Account Dominguez R A 120 L
7 Pull Dancer Garcia Alan 116 L
8 Maram Lezcano J 118 L
9 Keertana Coa E M 118 L

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Old 09-09-2009, 03:51 PM
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Over/under on how many poles Seventh Street wins by?
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:15 PM
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The Garden City is a nice race. So many of these are coming off very good performances in their last. Take a long look at Pull Dancer. She's really improving...perfect trip or not, she exploded last time. She may sneak away at a nice price with Gozzip Girl and Maram taking money for sure.

Nice way to begin what should be a fantastic meeting.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:51 PM
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If Gozzip Girl falls down, Pull Dancer is the one I'd look to also.
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:05 PM
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The Garden City is a nice race. So many of these are coming off very good performances in their last. Take a long look at Pull Dancer. She's really improving...perfect trip or not, she exploded last time. She may sneak away at a nice price with Gozzip Girl and Maram taking money for sure.

Nice way to begin what should be a fantastic meeting.
I'm with you on Pull Dancer. Outside of Gozzip Girl, she doesn't have much to beat. I'm shocked no Euros came over to steal the pot.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:56 PM
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Over/under on how many poles Seventh Street wins by?

1.6?
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:03 PM
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1.6?
Eh, upon closer inspection, the race came up tougher than I thought. Swift Temper and Luna Vega can both give her fits.
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:11 PM
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Even with the added weight of PG'85 .... Maragh will have a tougher time making it to Erie by 8 PM than winning that race.
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:14 PM
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Even with the added weight of PG'85 .... Maragh will have a tougher time making it to Erie by 8 PM than winning that race.

I think it's 2 horse race, Swift Temper is decent.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:13 PM
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Handicapping the 6-8 pick 3 now. I know this might sound crazy, but Im not sure the Gozzip Girl is much better then the 6,7 especially on a soft turf. Maram has some foot issues right now and might scratch, I need to hope she runs, because IMO she's simply not as good as the top 3 and will be the second choice. I might just end all my pick 3's with 6,7 and hope my read is correct.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:57 PM
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Handicapping the 6-8 pick 3 now. I know this might sound crazy, but Im not sure the Gozzip Girl is much better then the 6,7 especially on a soft turf. Maram has some foot issues right now and might scratch, I need to hope she runs, because IMO she's simply not as good as the top 3 and will be the second choice. I might just end all my pick 3's with 6,7 and hope my read is correct.
What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

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Old 09-11-2009, 07:23 PM
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What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

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Agreed. Which is why I'm with him on hoping Maram runs. That might make GG 6-5 instead of 1-2. If you believe Brown though, she won't run.
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:24 PM
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What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

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OK. Well you take her at 6-5, maybe lower. I play pick 3's, I will be happy to get live to my 2, both will be over 5-1 and both will have inflated pick 3 payouts because of the top 2.

If you take her American Oaks out, shes slightly better then these and anyone can improve and beat her. Matz filly was BEST in the American Oaks, if she wins then what? Im not sold on her, Im either right or wrong. Im going to trust my gut, and use the 6,7.... As long as Maram runs, I am assured value.
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:34 PM
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Miss World also might be ok. I might even use her instead of Shared Account.
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:46 PM
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Miss World also might be ok. I might even use her instead of Shared Account.
Dude, she was life and death to win last time with an absolute perfect trip against much cheaper. Just how much do you think Clement can move up to compete with the top 3? Shes hung in races prior to finally winning last time. Shes the easiest throwout of the race.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:39 PM
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I'm not sure I could take a super short price on Gozzip Girl. Even though she is the most likely winner it's not like the American Oaks is turning out to be a super key race (same could be said for the Sands Point).

I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:03 PM
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I'm not sure I could take a super short price on Gozzip Girl. Even though she is the most likely winner it's not like the American Oaks is turning out to be a super key race (same could be said for the Sands Point).

I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:07 PM
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I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.
Why is Shared Account faster than Gozzip Girl? Especially with the latter breaking inside the former. I realize that Dominguez got it all his own way setting the most ridiculously slow paces on the turf up at SAR the entire meet but I'm thinking that Kent has an understanding of the situation and will probably not let anyone try to control with slow fractions; and will run a similar race strategically to the Sands Point. I realize GG got a very nice setup out in CALI but look what's in this race. This is field of allowance horses otherwise.


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Old 09-11-2009, 10:25 PM
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For all of the Desormeaux bashing that goes on (and I'm definitely one of the bashers) the guy is tremendous when it comes to assessing a situation and riding his horse like they're the best in the race. Case in point was the Sands Point when he capitalized on the paceless setup and took the race to them. He's very, very good when it comes to that stuff.

I can't imagine how anyone who has watched replays of races could like Miss World, Pull Dancer, or Shared Account, all of whom had incredibly perfect trips in their last races. They might have upside but upside, to me, comes into play when you have a vulnerable favorite. Gozzip Girl is not vulnerable at all.

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Old 09-11-2009, 10:50 PM
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If Kent takes her to the front and backs down the pace she'll probably win for fun. My thought was the way to play against her is to think he pulls back and tries to emulate that American Oaks kick in the stretch.
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