Rosario investigation (12/13: CHRB clears..)

[Scav]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

[CSC]

The plot thickens, I guess we have to wait for Vic to address this if he can indeed comment on it here.

[randallscott35]

Yeah I just read this too....It is strange to put an offer in the next day.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

The plot thickens, I guess we have to wait for Vic to address this if he can indeed comment on it here.

it said in the article he would have no comment til after the hearing. i doubt he'd feel a need to comment here if he wouldn't comment to drf. as for the offer, just because stauffer asked if the horse was for sale, it didn't necessarily mean he was the one buying.
as for the jock...did he feel the horse was laboring, and didn't ask him for anything else in order to save him for another day? it was a maiden race, so perhaps the horse is younger? trainer instructions notwithstanding, it's up to the jock to handle the race how he sees best, depending on how it all unfolds. he's the leading jock at del mar, but i doubt this trainer is anywhere near the lead in the training standings-perhaps joel thought he knew better based on how the day was going? was the horse rank? 100 lbs vs 1000 lbs-we all know who will win that fight.


guess we'll see how it goes.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it said in the article he would have no comment til after the hearing. i doubt he'd feel a need to comment here if he wouldn't comment to drf. as for the offer, just because stauffer asked if the horse was for sale, it didn't necessarily mean he was the one buying.
as for the jock...did he feel the horse was laboring, and didn't ask him for anything else in order to save him for another day? it was a maiden race, so perhaps the horse is younger? trainer instructions notwithstanding, it's up to the jock to handle the race how he sees best, depending on how it all unfolds. he's the leading jock at del mar, but i doubt this trainer is anywhere near the lead in the training standings-perhaps joel thought he knew better based on how the day was going? was the horse rank? 100 lbs vs 1000 lbs-we all know who will win that fight.


guess we'll see how it goes.

If I were a Lawyer, I would advise no comment. I am one that believes in the presumption of innocence before being proven guilty. I think we got to tread carefully here when it involves people's reputations online. Hopefully there is a logical explanation for all involved.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

If I were a Lawyer, I would advise no comment. I am one that believes in the presumption of innocence before being proven guilty. I think we got to tread carefully here when it involves people's reputations online. Hopefully there is a logical explanation for all involved.

i agree completely. i always try to give people benefit of the doubt. there's always more then one side to any story.

[cmorioles]

Just another conflict of interest present in this great sport.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

If I was Vic the only comment would be "No Comment". No reason to say anything until the hearing is over.

[stonegossard]

Guys leave Vic alone.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Guys leave Vic alone.

PATHETIC.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PATHETIC.

Yeah, hopefully he didn't instruct Rosario to not ride the horse hoping to make the horse look bad.....then allowing Vic or someone he represents to purchase the horse cheaper. That wouldn't be good.

I am sure that such a good guy like Stauffer wouldn't do that. Probably just a misunderstanding.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PATHETIC.

BITE ME.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

BITE ME.

Don't be a hater.. Vic is trying to make a career at being an agent, not a bloodstock agent or crimnal.

[-BT-]

very interesting........

-bt-

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

According to Marten, the complaint filed against Rosario cited him for violations of three racing board rules. One pertains to unsatisfactory rides - "no jockey shall take his horse back without reasonable cause .



That sure is a vague rule and subject to interpretation.

So what would the interpretation be if Mine That Bird only finished 4th when Borel had him completely out of the TV picture in the first half of the Kentucky Derby?

[the_fat_man]

This was a puzzling ride. But no more puzzling than any number of other rides by Joel at DMR this summer. For every good ride, Joel puts in 5 RETARDED rides. So does just about every other jock (with varying adjustments to the '5') not named Ramon Dominguez. What else is new?

What's the point? If he doesn't take back (or, better, asks his horse) when that group comes to him mid-backstretch, he finishes at the rear of the field. So, maybe the stewards need to RE-evaluate a bit. At least the jocks have the excuse that they're making split second decisions on hard to handle animals. What might the stewards' excuse be for some of their RETARDED decisions?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This was a puzzling ride. But no more puzzling than any number of other rides by Joel at DMR this summer. For every good ride, Joel puts in 5 RETARDED rides. So does just about every other jock (with varying adjustments to the '5') not named Ramon Dominguez. What else is new?

What's the point? If he doesn't take back (or, better, asks his horse) when that group comes to him mid-backstretch, he finishes at the rear of the field. So, maybe the stewards need to RE-evaluate a bit. At least the jocks have the excuse that they're making split second decisions on hard to handle animals. What might the stewards' excuse be for some of their RETARDED decisions?

The rider is curious but the offer to buy the horse after the race is real interesting.

[pointman]

Looks like much ado about nothing, how are they going to prove he didn't give his best effort? You could break down every race and accuse a jock of that, hell guys like Solis, Nakatani, Espinoza, etc. should be suspended for life under this standard.

Doubt that Glenney will get Rosario to ride anytime soon for him and I am sure other jocks will be wary of riding for a trainer who picks up a check and complains about this.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by pointman

Looks like much ado about nothing, how are they going to prove he didn't give his best effort? You could break down every race and accuse a jock of that, hell guys like Solis, Nakatani, Espinoza, etc. should be suspended for life under this standard.

Doubt that Glenney will get Rosario to ride anytime soon for him and I am sure other jocks will be wary of riding for a trainer who picks up a check and complains about this.

Great point, Nick. Who wants to deal with worrying about a trainer going directly to the stewards when he doesn't like the ride he gets? That should have been a conversation between Rosario/Stauffer and Glenney following the race.

[freddymo]

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Isn't this more about Vic's sudden interest in purchasing the 3rd place finisher then Rosario's suspect ride. You think any of this happens if someone else contacted ownership with an offer?