No more summer vacation?

[Cannon Shell]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...us_more_school

I'm sure the Teachers Unions have nothing to do with this...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...us_more_school

I'm sure the Teachers Unions have nothing to do with this...

The School system....there's another unqualified success!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The School system....there's another unqualified success!

don't assume your example is universal.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

don't assume your example is universal.

I'm talking about the Public school system...the one where 95% of students are functionally illiterate. Not being able to fill out jobs apps is a real bitch!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I'm talking about the Public school system...the one where 95% of students are functionally illiterate. Not being able to fill out jobs apps is a real bitch!

Tim...Even you have to admit that Dems care a whole lot more about Public Schools than righties

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Tim...Even you have to admit that Dems care a whole lot more about Public Schools than righties

What exactly can this be based on? Concessions to teachers unions? What the Democrats dont seem to care about is the private schools that consistently massively outperform public schools by killing time after time any legislative help for an expansion of these schools. Of course those schools arent mandated to hire union teachers and as such the teachers unuions lobby hard AGAINST funding or tax breaks for these schools. The practices of teachers unions have helped create the debacle that public schools have become in many areas. And we know whose pockets they are in.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Tim...Even you have to admit that Dems care a whole lot more about Public Schools than righties

The Dems have been feeding at that trough for decades!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I'm talking about the Public school system...the one where 95% of students are functionally illiterate. Not being able to fill out jobs apps is a real bitch!

95%? LOL...Now, you're just making sht up like a good Conservative? Be consistent here. You do you want the Gov't involved with schooling? If you're consistent, then seems a good Conservative would want all private schools, and no public money involved in it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

95%? LOL...Now, you're just making sht up like a good Conservative?

That was probably a little high....was a stat I saw awhile ago...75 anyway

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

95%? LOL...Now, you're just making sht up like a good Conservative? Be consistent here. You do you want the Gov't involved with schooling? If you're consistent, then seems a good Conservative would want all private schools, and no public money involved in it.

Based on test results everyone should want all private schools

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I'm talking about the Public school system...the one where 95% of students are functionally illiterate. Not being able to fill out jobs apps is a real bitch!

Guess you are unfortunate enough to live in a place where those stats are true.

I grew up at public schools, absolutely terrific, where 65-70% of the kids went on to college. Good tax base.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...us_more_school

I'm sure the Teachers Unions have nothing to do with this...

Geesh, they've been talking about this for the past 40 years ....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geesh, they've been talking about this for the past 40 years ....

who has?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

who has?

Every school district I've ever been in contact with. Especially the deeply GOP one I grew up within.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Every school district I've ever been in contact with. Especially the deeply GOP one I grew up within.

Didnt know you were so deeply involved with school districts internal policies. You are well rounded. Where do you find the time?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...us_more_school

I'm sure the Teachers Unions have nothing to do with this...

it's kind of funny....
when you say teachers make plenty since they only work half the year, they jump up and say 'that's not true, we have summer workshops, etc etc'. but then when it's mentioned there should be a full school year, teachers say they'd need a raise for their extra time.

so....which is it? they work, or they don't?

[randallscott35]

Yawn

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's kind of funny....
when you say teachers make plenty since they only work half the year, they jump up and say 'that's not true, we have summer workshops, etc etc'. but then when it's mentioned there should be a full school year, teachers say they'd need a raise for their extra time.

so....which is it? they work, or they don't?

In NY union teachers only have to work 130 days out of 180 to be considered full time. Thats 50 days off out of 180. Nice.

No one is saying that teachers arent very important and have made a noble career choice. But they need to take some of the blame for poor results. Many teachers union stances are directly opposite to improving the quality of education in this country. Bad teachers need to go. Good teachers should be rewarded. But that isnt how it works.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In NY union teachers only have to work 130 days out of 180 to be considered full time. Thats 50 days off out of 180. Nice.

No one is saying that teachers arent very important and have made a noble career choice. But they need to take some of the blame for poor results. Many teachers union stances are directly opposite to improving the quality of education in this country. Bad teachers need to go. Good teachers should be rewarded. But that isnt how it works.

cutting class sizes necessitated hiring more teachers-when you dig deeper into the pool to hire, guess what you're going to get? i doubt there's a discernible difference from when class size was larger-but the union has more $, since they had more paying in-so they're happy.
and yes, a good teacher is a good thing. but there could definitely be improvements in public schools. parental involvement would certainly help as welll, with less parents taking their 'little angels' side when junior messes up.

[Cannon Shell]

unintended consequences?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...critics-claim/

Our schools best work

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...official-says/