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Old 10-23-2009, 12:51 PM
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As expected Roman Ruler is the current leader by Earnings. He's a well bred Fu Peg who ran Beyers of 103 and 106 at Del Mar as a 2yo despite slow starts both times. He had a large quantity of 2yos. Connie and Michael might be his best going forward.

There are four current freshman sires who have both 10 winners and a winner-to-starter ratio of 50% or better. They are ...

* The dead Proud Accolade (14 winners from 26 starters - 2nd to Roman Ruler in earnings)

* Wildcat Heir (26 winners from 47 starters - 6th in earnings)

* Offlee Wild (13 winners from 26 starters - 7th in earnings)

* Oratory (10 winners from 18 starters - 28th in earnings)


Afleet Alex has had just 10 winners from 46 starters. That only looks good when you compare it to his full bro Unforgettable Max - who's had 17 starters without a single winner.

Ghostzapper has had just 5 winners from 17 starters.

The dead Saint Liam has had just 9 winners from 39 starters.


Among the no-names making strong showings from tiny samplings....

* Hear No Evil has 3 winners from 7 starters - including 4 time stakes winner Jackson Bend.

* Dark Kestrel has 2 winners from 2 starters. One of them is a $1,500 yearling who won his debut big at PID with a 79 Beyer - and was beaten just 3 lengths in a stake race by next out Grade 1 winner Noble's Promise in his only other start. The other Dark Kestrel winner broke its maiden at Del Mar in a MCL race.

Hear No Evil was a very nice Calder 2yo. Dark Kestrel had a fast work at a 2yo sale .. but was a terrible race horse. He made only 2 lifetime starts, and was out of the money in a 15K claimer in his 2nd start. Never ran a Beyer higher than 56.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:17 PM
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What's Bwana Charlie's official stats so far?
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:22 PM
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What's Bwana Charlie's official stats so far?
8 winners from 20 starters.

A fellow IC freshman sire Eugene's Third Son has had 2 winners from just 3 starters. I know that was a horse that the poster IC was a rabid fan of.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:59 PM
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I wouldn't quite say rabid, but yeah, I thought that was a very nice horse. Can you say more about those runners ETS has had so far?

Dark Kestrel is a very interesting horse. He was a 145k RNA by Stormy Atlantic that went on to have a great 2 race career. He won his debut at ELP then came back a few months later and ran like crap in a 15k claimer at LaD!

He stands stud at the University of Florida Equine Reproduction Center, or something like that.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:05 PM
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He stands stud at the University of Florida Equine Reproduction Center, or something like that.
Isn't that where Tim Tebow will be standing in two years when his NFL career is over?
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:17 PM
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Isn't that where Tim Tebow will be standing in two years when his NFL career is over?
Don't underestimate Teblow.

In two years, he'll make like the good missionaries of the past and knock up a bunch of indigenous people while he's away spreading the word.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:07 PM
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8 winners from 20 starters.

A fellow IC freshman sire Eugene's Third Son has had 2 winners from just 3 starters. I know that was a horse that the poster IC was a rabid fan of.
Bwana was my guess at best freshman sire for the money. 8/20 for $5k ain't too shabby.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:19 PM
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Bwana was my guess at best freshman sire for the money. 8/20 for $5k ain't too shabby.
Yeah - I said Wildcat Heir... but that was after seeing he had a slew of quick ones from the sales.

the one-eyed Pollard's Vision for 5K probably turned out to be the best value so far stats wise. 4 different stakes winners from 34 runners and 3rd in earnings.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:40 PM
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GPK's stats are pretty solid this year.
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Old 10-26-2009, 01:10 PM
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Two more stakes winners for Kitten's Joy this weekend, that had to give him a boost.
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Old 10-26-2009, 01:22 PM
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He surged into 2nd place.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:58 AM
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Dark Kestrel's 3rd offspring to hit the track - Key to Brooklyn - is 3/1 on the morning line in a 34K MSW race for 2yo's at Penn National tonight.

The 5/2 morning line favorite in the race is a Todd Beattie trained debuter by Medagalia D'oro. That one is a half sibling to 6 time stakes winner - and two-time Salvator Mile winner Presidential Affair.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:35 PM
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I think Penn has cancelled for tonight. I hope they bring that race back though. It might be an interesting one to see, and play.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:57 PM
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Two more stakes winners for Kitten's Joy this weekend, that had to give him a boost.
Raising KJ's fee to $40k next breeding season is insanity.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:01 PM
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Raising KJ's fee to $40k next breeding season is insanity.
What does 40k advertised mean..Free if we love your mare, 20k if your mare is reasonable, and 40k if you are a complete FN moron?
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:08 PM
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What does 40k advertised mean..Free if we love your mare, 20k if your mare is reasonable, and 40k if you are a complete FN moron?
It is Ken Ramsey. He will want the 40k everytime. If you havent noticed, about 90% of KJ's foals are homebreds.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:48 PM
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It is Ken Ramsey. He will want the 40k everytime. If you havent noticed, about 90% of KJ's foals are homebreds.
Byk's finest work is his Kitten schtick on ATR with his JEW BOY friends.. BUT Kittens Joy is a real stallion.. He clearly can get runners and although there maybe be 11265 foals in his first crop...You would be foolish not to want one.. KJ is here to stay!
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:05 PM
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Raising KJ's fee to $40k next breeding season is insanity.
Wow, what did he start at?

I'm guessing that Ramsey will send at least 2 Kittens to the Derby.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:09 PM
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Wow, what did he start at?

I'm guessing that Ramsey will send at least 2 Kittens to the Derby.
They need to get graded earnings which will be hard since there are very few graded grass races for 3 year olds in the spring
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:15 PM
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He's actually got a bunch listed on his website that RNA

http://tbsales.com/clients/view.php?id=132
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