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Old 12-10-2009, 12:21 PM
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1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:35 PM
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Well done list, but War Pass was the best 2-year-old male of the decade? No mention of Vindication?
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:39 PM
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Well done list, but War Pass was the best 2-year-old male of the decade? No mention of Vindication?
Absolutely War Pass was the best.

I wasn't a big fan of his going into his 3-year-old season .. but that was more because I didn't like the way he projected as a triple crown series prospect.

However, it would be extremely foolish to deny him the honor of decades top 2yo. I think he's one of the easiest choices.

He was undefeated, his win in the Champagne was sizzlingly fast. He won the Breeders Cup Juvenile in 1:42.67 - Indian Blessing needed 1:44.73 to soundly defeat Proud Spell that same day.

Respectable precocious middle distance horses like Kodiak Kowboy and Tale of Ekati ran 3rd and 4th .. beaten 16.75 lengths and 17.50 lengths .. in an 11 horse field.

Just a mind boggling performance against the clock. War Pass's 113 Beyer that day was higher than the 112 Beyer Hard Spun ran for finishing 2nd in the BC Classic that day .. both races used the exact same variant.

As for Vindication .. he's in the discussion for the 3rd or 4th spot.

Like War Pass, he was also 4-for-4 at two, and with two stakes wins. He won the Grade 3 Ky Cup Juvenile over a terrible field in very slow fashion - but had to overcome some trouble.

In the Breeders Cup Juvie ... Vindication had a great trip and needed 1:49.61 to score. By comparison, Storm Flag Flying won the Juv Fillies by a half length in final time of 1:49.60 - Hold That Tiger ran 3rd by 5 lengths to Vindy - but had an extremely tough trip.

I think Toccet had a good case to steal the Eclipse from Vindication. He won 4 Graded Stakes as a 2yo at or beyond a mile. He took the Champagne, Laurel Futurity, won the Remsen over Empire Maker, and beat Kafwain in the Hollywood Futurity. He was a complete no show in the BC Juvie though - basically fading after a few furlongs.
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:43 PM
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As for Vindication .. he's in the discussion for the 3rd or 4th spot.
I think I would have him in the top 4, but I am especially surprised to see YOU give the nod to Street Sense over Vindication given your often-stated low opinion of Street Sense.
His races at AP as a 2yo were fairly unimpressive, and though he ran a very good race in a 3rd place effort at Keeneland on a surface he never liked, his CD race was the only truly superb effort of his season in my opinion.
I'd take Vindication's four races as a 2yo over Street Sense's four races.

Good list though DrugS. It makes for some good conversation.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:19 PM
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I think I would have him in the top 4, but I am especially surprised to see YOU give the nod to Street Sense over Vindication given your often-stated low opinion of Street Sense.
His races at AP as a 2yo were fairly unimpressive, and though he ran a very good race in a 3rd place effort at Keeneland on a surface he never liked, his CD race was the only truly superb effort of his season in my opinion.
I'd take Vindication's four races as a 2yo over Street Sense's four races.

Good list though DrugS. It makes for some good conversation.
If you had to ask him who the most overrated horse of the last 15 years is, and you forced him into giving an answer, he'd almost certainly tell you Vindication.

He was the president of the anti Vindy fan club. He disliked that horse like PG1985 loves Giant's Causeway. It was almost pathological.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:02 AM
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Absolutely War Pass was the best.

I wasn't a big fan of his going into his 3-year-old season .. but that was more because I didn't like the way he projected as a triple crown series prospect.

However, it would be extremely foolish to deny him the honor of decades top 2yo. I think he's one of the easiest choices.

He was undefeated, his win in the Champagne was sizzlingly fast. He won the Breeders Cup Juvenile in 1:42.67 - Indian Blessing needed 1:44.73 to soundly defeat Proud Spell that same day.

Respectable precocious middle distance horses like Kodiak Kowboy and Tale of Ekati ran 3rd and 4th .. beaten 16.75 lengths and 17.50 lengths .. in an 11 horse field.

Just a mind boggling performance against the clock. War Pass's 113 Beyer that day was higher than the 112 Beyer Hard Spun ran for finishing 2nd in the BC Classic that day .. both races used the exact same variant.

As for Vindication .. he's in the discussion for the 3rd or 4th spot.

Like War Pass, he was also 4-for-4 at two, and with two stakes wins. He won the Grade 3 Ky Cup Juvenile over a terrible field in very slow fashion - but had to overcome some trouble.

In the Breeders Cup Juvie ... Vindication had a great trip and needed 1:49.61 to score. By comparison, Storm Flag Flying won the Juv Fillies by a half length in final time of 1:49.60 - Hold That Tiger ran 3rd by 5 lengths to Vindy - but had an extremely tough trip.

I think Toccet had a good case to steal the Eclipse from Vindication. He won 4 Graded Stakes as a 2yo at or beyond a mile. He took the Champagne, Laurel Futurity, won the Remsen over Empire Maker, and beat Kafwain in the Hollywood Futurity. He was a complete no show in the BC Juvie though - basically fading after a few furlongs.
Solid points, but I still see War Pass as a one-race wonder. His Champagne was a fine effort, but Pyro didn't exactly come back to light things up at three. Nor did Z Humor, Ready's Image or Majestic Warrior.

I also think Declan's Moon should be mentioned, though he always was overlooked for skipping the BC.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:27 AM
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Solid points, but I still see War Pass as a one-race wonder. His Champagne was a fine effort, but Pyro didn't exactly come back to light things up at three. Nor did Z Humor, Ready's Image or Majestic Warrior.

I also think Declan's Moon should be mentioned, though he always was overlooked for skipping the BC.
I agree that Declan's Moon is in the mix for the 4th spot.

A lot of excellent 2-year-olds come back and flop at 3. Just as some very moderate 2-year-olds will bloom into sensational 3yos and older horses.

Go back and read the press clippings about Pyro's 3yo return race... they might seem laughable now ... but he did run a really great race in his 3yo return.

War Pass might have been moved up a lot by the slop .. but his Champagne was still gigantic - and he just crushed in every race. The 3yo version of him was a total cripple.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:35 PM
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1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.

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2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.
Good thing you gave a of some kind to Barbaro Doug... As it is you've targeted yourself for death threats from the 'FOB' with the 3yo awards...
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Mineshaft older male....Nothing else matters.
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1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.

What is this a Frankel tribute list? A lot of Frankel's
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Riboletta's best races rival any of the females in this decade....Easily better than Azeri.
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should Saint Liam be in there?
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should Saint Liam be in there?
The Sonny Bono of horses.
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The Sonny Bono of horses.
he was skiing when he fell too?
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The Sonny Bono of horses.
commentator smoked em..
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should Saint Liam be in there?
No.

He wouldn't be totally outrageous though.
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No.

He wouldn't be totally outrageous though.

Hes was beat in his only head to head with Rock Hard Ten, I think Saint Liam was 3-5 and Rick 3-1.
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The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.
What factors made you choose the horses you did over the others?
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