A Pick 3 Lesson for me

Hit my first and only pick 3 thus far at Retama. Paid 170 bucks.

5th race I take:6,7 These 2 horses are favorites at 2/1. The 6 wins.
6th race I take: 7 The 7 is a 2/1 favorite and wins.
7th race I take: 1,2,7 respectively, the public makes them 2:5, 9/2, 8/1 The 2 wins at 9/2 and it is a two horse race the whole way with the 1,2 doing battling. I thought this would set up the 7 but it was not even close.

So we look at this and say very chalky. I really needed the 7 horse in the 7th.

My hypothesis and possible plan. Races that you know people will single will have larger pools imbedded in them in Pik plays at small tracks. The public needs some race for a shallow water single. Always include a race you think is everyone else's clear single and go deeper, especially if there is ONE worthy opponent that just might give the favorite problems. I still would have won a little something, even if the 1 horse had done what he was supposed to in the 7th. Someone else may have already brought this up. I apologize if they have, as I dont play pik bets very much.

Scuds or any other pik players, feedback?
Have I found an in? Any help appreciated.

BTW. The pik 4 that included the 6,7,8,and 9th races paid 148 and the even money favorites won the 8th and 9th. Again an example of the unknown pool size, and a possible reason for the above and the attempt and reasoning on how to get into a large pool with a few winners without knowing what in the hell is going on. Did one of the favorites in the 5th race at 2/1 make that big a difference... Jeez, who would have ever known.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Hit my first and only pick 3 thus far at Retama. Paid 170 bucks.

5th race I take:6,7 These 2 horses are favorites at 2/1. The 6 wins.
6th race I take: 7 The 7 is a 2/1 favorite and wins.
7th race I take: 1,2,7 respectively, the public makes them 2:5, 9/2, 8/1 The 2 wins at 9/2 and it is a two horse race the whole way with the 1,2 doing battling. I thought this would set up the 7 but it was not even close.

So we look at this and say very chalky. I really needed the 7 horse in the 7th.

My hypothesis and possible plan. Races that you know people will single will have larger pools imbedded in them in Pik plays at small tracks. The public needs some race for a shallow water single. Always include a race you think is everyone else's clear single and go deeper, especially if there is ONE worthy opponent that just might give the favorite problems. I still would have won a little something, even if the 1 horse had done what he was supposed to in the 7th. Someone else may have already brought this up. I apologize if they have, as I dont play pik bets very much.

Scuds or any other pik players, feedback?
Have I found an in? Any help appreciated.

BTW. The pik 4 that included the 6,7,8,and 9th races paid 148 and the even money favorites won the 8th and 9th. Again an example of the unknown pool size, and a possible reason for the above and the attempt and reasoning on how to get into a large pool with a few winners without knowing what in the hell is going on. Did one of the favorites in the 5th race at 2/1 make that big a difference... Jeez, who would have ever known.

Finding a vulnerable heavy favorite is always the best first angle a picks player should look for. Two examples:

I hit a pick 3 at Keeneland's Spring meet this year where PERFECT DRIFT was entered in a turf race. I was drooling at the chance of beating this perennial hanger. It also helped that I had a 7/2 morning line favorite anchoring this pick 3 that I singled. I went 5(horses)/6(horses)/single for $30 . the first leg was a maiden race and caught a nice priced horse at 9-1.. second was beating PD was predictably hung (at 4/5ish) in a six horse field and lost to the morning line longest shot(after scratches).. and my single got up at the end for a $700 pick 3 (for $1).

--in this case, it wasn't so much that I was against PD in general, but he was PREPPING for another race, so I knew his connections didn't care if he acutally won this race..


Another time, my brother caught a pick 4 where he invested something like $16 and it paid like $800(for a buck!!). he beat an odds-on favorite in Volponi who was running on the turf. This was post-BCC win, so he was way overhyped and was even odds morning line. I believe favorites even won two other legs, but with the Volponi $$ being flushed down the toilet, it inflated the payout by a lot!!

Anytime you can ID a big favorite you think can/will lose, it's a huge advantage.

Hit another pick 3 tonight, so thats 2 for 2, and it paid a whopping 48 dollars with about the same priced horses as the night before that paid 180 dollars. Hit a double tonight that paid 78...

Damn lottery, these pik bets honest to God. Im not complaining cause Im winning and the takeout at Retama is 13 % but honest to God its a crap shoot trying to have some idea how much you have coming to you based on win odds of individual races... and absolute crap shoot.

[jpops757]

Im no pk3 expert but I will tend to narrow my picks in large fields and widen them in what sometimes appears to be sure winner in short fields. I am uncanny in hitting the all button and an odds on will win.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Im no pk3 expert but I will tend to narrow my picks in large fields and widen them in what sometimes appears to be sure winner in short fields. I am uncanny in hitting the all button and an odds on will win.

LOL.. no worse feeling in gambling than going deep in a leg of a pick 3 or 4 and seeing the big favorite jog home a winner in that leg. I know that pain all too well!

Never used the ALL. But I understand the utility.

The fields that have been going at Retama have been large, this button will not get much use.
What is interesting for those of you who use the machines... take a look at the screen from the side so the light reflects off it so you can see the wear on the plastic or glass. People wear the TRI and Super button out at Retama. Along with the / (with) button. Of course the return balance and the print ticket buttons of the machine screens are about to break they have been worn so thin on the old machines.

Observations of screen wear and possible relationship to betting patterns.

I think I will write a paper and submit it to...