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[gales0678]

Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

Did they catch his rides on Stud Muffin, Fortyninegeorgest, or No More Stress? Or the four wins on Friday? Or the three on Thursday?

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Did they catch his rides on Stud Muffin, Fortyninegeorgest, or No More Stress? Or the four wins on Friday? Or the three on Thursday?

NT

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

I didn't think at any point in time he was getting by Marina Market. But that might be where we differ in opinion.

You are picking out one ride for a guy who rides approximately 6-7 per day, who are always bet, and are thus under the most scrutiny. Picking out one poor ride (and this ride was bad long before the stretch, he went about 97 wide around the turn) is really unfair.

As far as the similarities between the people at NYC OTB and the Palm Beach Kennel Club, yeah....

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I didn't think at any point in time he was getting by Marina Market. But that might be where we differ in opinion.

You are picking out one ride for a guy who rides approximately 6-7 per day, who are always bet, and are thus under the most scrutiny. Picking out one poor ride (and this ride was bad long before the stretch, he went about 97 wide around the turn) is really unfair.

As far as the similarities between the people at NYC OTB and the Palm Beach Kennel Club, yeah....

NT

it one thnig to have a poor ride , it's another to completely shut down a horse before the wire when the horse in front of you is backing up , maybe he still loses even if he tries , but , it's inexcusible for the top jockey at the meet to ever quit on a mount unless the horse is hurt .....explain to me how why he should have qut riding in that spot today?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

it one thnig to have a poor ride , it's another to completely shut down a horse before the wire when the horse in front of you is backing up , maybe he still loses even if he tries , but , it's inexcusible for the top jockey at the meet to ever quit on a mount unless the horse is hurt .....explain to me how why he should have qut riding in that spot today?

You must love Kent Desormeaux.

NT

[3kings]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking about and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by 3kings

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

i agree with all of that , but there were 5 of us there , none of us had the winner or the 7 we all used some combo of the 6, 8 , 10 ..... we were all losing no matter what the finish was of the top two horses

[the_fat_man]

It's really all about perspective. I had a 2-7 box in the race and never doubted that the 2 was home. My concern was whether the 7 would hold on for 2nd, as the horse was clearly struggling the length of the stretch. The most brutal beats are the ones that happen late.

Most jocks wouldn't be able to grasp that they couldn't get to the winner and push their horse needlessly and lose 2nd --- even to a tired horse like the 6, in the race in question. Ramon's just a few notches above the others.

Of course, just as the other jocks can't duplicate his rides (they just lack the skills), some handicappers can't appreciate a good ride.

And this is really what makes an otherwise unbeatable game beatable.

[GPK]

I just watched the replay 3 times. Come on Marty. There wasn't a chance in hell that Western Deed was gonna get to the winner before the wire. To hear you describe it, I thought I was gonna see him stand up long before the wire. I could see someone getting pissed if he had got nipped for 2nd by not "riding out", but not a chance in hell he was getting the win.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

I just watched the replay 3 times. Come on Marty. There wasn't a chance in hell that Western Deed was gonna get to the winner before the wire. To hear you describe it, I thought I was gonna see him stand up long before the wire. I could see someone getting pissed if he had got nipped for 2nd by not "riding out", but not a chance in hell he was getting the win.

whether he gets to him or not , the question is why is the jockey on the winner all out (and tiring) and ramon has his horse under wraps - listen if it was the same cast of characters in ny otb i could see your point , but , this was a whole new group of people at the PBKC who saw it the way i am telling you guys

kev - your a fan of borel , i heard it out of your mouth at the spa 2 yrs ago after a turf race where he just kept coming and got 2nd , almost getting to the winner, do you really think calvin would have given up at anytime before the wire with that tiring rat in front of him???

i guess if you are at an otb or an outlet like the PBKC your opinion means squat because the fat man has spoken

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by 3kings

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

said by someone that has a brain in their head....thank you

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

its the same old song because people bitch when they lose, that simple. the guy won at least 10 races in 3 days but thats not good enough. i have to laugh, when someone comes even close at aqueduct, i'll listen. its horse racing, like i've said a million times, they don't have engines with gas pedals. the horse will do whatever it wants at times. to say a guy "didn't try" when he's winninmg races off the charts is a joke. are you people trying to tell me , he only tries when he wants? say that to his face...this is a joke.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its the same old song because people bitch when they lose, that simple. the guy won at least 10 races in 3 days but thats not good enough. i have to laugh, when someone comes even close at aqueduct, i'll listen. its horse racing, like i've said a million times, they don't have engines with gas pedals. the horse will do whatever it wants at times. to say a guy "didn't try" when he's winninmg races off the charts is a joke. are you people trying to tell me , he only tries when he wants? say that to his face...this is a joke.

agian i have a respected DT'er on here saying another top jockey would not have quit on the ride and still would have lost .....that fine , as a bettor that is at least acceptable , what is not acceptable is quitting before the wire when your horse has even a 1 % chance of winning the race ......what is wrong with that logic???

as for the 10 races in 3 days crap , when you are on the best horses mostly everyday of course you are going to win a lot of races , how many superbowls would bill belichek have won without tom brady???

note - he had 8 mounts on sat , he was the favorite 5 times and almost a co-fav on a 6th mount , only a blind squirel would see that he is not going to win a lot or races

Scavs could have ridden No More Stress , what does he get credit for in that race?

He gave good rides on Stud Muffin and 49george.

What was he doing on Wild News ???

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

agian i have a respected DT'er on here saying another top jockey would not have quit on the ride and still would have lost .....that fine , as a bettor that is at least acceptable , what is not acceptable is quitting before the wire when your horse has even a 1 % chance of winning the race ......what is wrong with that logic???

as for the 10 races in 3 days crap , when you are on the best horses mostly everyday of course you are going to win a lot of races , how many superbowls would bill belichek have won without tom brady???

note - he had 8 mounts on sat , he was the favorite 5 times and almost a co-fav on a 6th mount , only a blind squirel would see that he is not going to win a lot or races

Scavs could have ridden No More Stress , what does he get credit for in that race?

He gave good rides on Stud Muffin and 49george.

What was he doing on Wild News ???

What the heck was so great about his ride on Stud Muffin? He got him home but wasnt he fairly logical in this race given the amount of speed signed up?

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its the same old song because people bitch when they lose, that simple. the guy won at least 10 races in 3 days but thats not good enough. i have to laugh, when someone comes even close at aqueduct, i'll listen. its horse racing, like i've said a million times, they don't have engines with gas pedals. the horse will do whatever it wants at times. to say a guy "didn't try" when he's winninmg races off the charts is a joke. are you people trying to tell me , he only tries when he wants? say that to his face...this is a joke.

Couldn't agree with you more.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

Did you watch the head-on? The winner drifted out that final 1/16th. Ramon was in a little tight. If he would have ridden harder, he would have run up on that other horse's heels. He wasn't going to win the race but that's not the main reason he quit riding. He quit riding because the winner was almost directly in front and he didn't want to clip heels.

Ramon did nothing wrong in that race. I thik he's the best rider on the East coast, not because he's the best rider physically but because he's the smartest rider by far.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Did you watch the head-on? The winner drifted out that final 1/16th. Ramon was in a little tight. If he would have ridden harder, he would have run up on that other horse's heels. He wasn't going to win the race but that's not the main reason he quit riding. He quit riding because the winner was almost directly in front and he didn't want to clip heels.

Ramon did nothing wrong in that race. I thik he's the best rider on the East coast, not because he's the best rider physically but because he's the smartest rider by far.

if he if he is the best rider on the east coast where is he on BC day ?

he 's 1/20 going into this year , i guess he's now about 1/25

and until he wins a triple crown race he simply is not the best

he maybe the best on the inner track when he is on the 2/5 favorite against a bunch of rats day after day on horses that scavs could ride

people on here want to bash pletcher all the time for his dreadful record in the classics and bc races and that's fine , well if he's allowed to be bashed ramon certainly is as well until he gets of the schnide in the TC or with multiple BC winners

again tell me where he has been on the 1st sat in may ? where has he been when md my md is playing? what is he in the classics , i know it's 0 for something......before you coronate him let's see him win the most important races multiple times

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if he if he is the best rider on the east coast where is he on BC day ?

he 's 1/20 going into this year , i guess he's now about 1/25

and until he wins a triple crown race he simply is not the best

he maybe the best on the inner track when he is on the 2/5 favorite against a bunch of rats day after day on horses that scavs could ride

people on here want to bash pletcher all the time for his dreadful record in the classics and bc races and that's fine , well if he's allowed to be bashed ramon certainly is as well until he gets of the schnide in the TC or with multiple BC winners

again tell me where he has been on the 1st sat in may ? where has he been when md my md is playing? what is he in the classics , i know it's 0 for something......before you coronate him let's see him win the most important races multiple times

funny, he only won three yesterday. what you are not happy unless he wins 4 or 5 a day....give me a break. he really only had one big horse last year(gio ponte) i guess a grade 1 win over ventura in cali was nothing....multiple grade 1 wins and a second to zenyatta. what are you going to say when he gets a couple big horses..which eventually he will. besides people like me make a bet more than on saturday and sunday...whose better than him on the daily grind....not many

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

funny, he only won three yesterday. what you are not happy unless he wins 4 or 5 a day....give me a break. he really only had one big horse last year(gio ponte) i guess a grade 1 win over ventura in cali was nothing....multiple grade 1 wins and a second to zenyatta. what are you going to say when he gets a couple big horses..which eventually he will. besides people like me make a bet more than on saturday and sunday...whose better than him on the daily grind....not many

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

funny, he only won three yesterday. what you are not happy unless he wins 4 or 5 a day....give me a break. he really only had one big horse last year(gio ponte) i guess a grade 1 win over ventura in cali was nothing....multiple grade 1 wins and a second to zenyatta. what are you going to say when he gets a couple big horses..which eventually he will. besides people like me make a bet more than on saturday and sunday...whose better than him on the daily grind....not many

johnny as people on here in the past say well where is todd in the big ones

i can say to you where is ramon in the big one's

everyone points to todd being 0 for 40 or whatever in the derby

well tell me what is ramon in the tc's races , what is he in the breeders cup

why can't he win those races when he is not on the best horses - all the great jocks won races when the whole world was watching on derby day , preakness day , belmont day and bc day and they won multiple times

no one besides the die hard racing fans here will remember what grade 1 he won in aug or mar or jan 20 yrs from now , nobody cares , the casual racing fan cares about what you do on the 4 big days a year and so far he is 1 for whatever

when the whole world is watching he has done nothing but lay egg after egg on derby day and bc day - maybe someday he will win those big races

if todd is going to get crucifed on here by people for his lack of resutls in the big spot on derby day and the other jewlels and the bc , ramon deserves as much until he starts winning the big races