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Old 02-10-2010, 03:15 PM
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Default Quality Road's (negative) 7.5 fastest Thorograph fig ever

Not sure if I agree with that assessment, even if the margin of victory agrees with something close to it. Jerry Brown on TVG right now discussing it and says he "hates giving out numbers like this."
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:19 PM
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Not sure if I agree with that assessment, even if the margin of victory agrees with something close to it. Jerry Brown on TVG right now discussing it and says he "hates giving out numbers like this."

QR is an all time great.
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:26 PM
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He's obviously better than Secretariat then
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:27 PM
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He's obviously better than Secretariat then
Did Secretariat get a -7.5 from Jerry Brown? Case closed!
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:28 PM
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QR is an all time great.
Isn't it a bit early for this yet?
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Isn't it a bit early for this yet?
NO.
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:30 PM
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QR is an all time great.
Once this has been stated it's a short hop to"

"He's done enough...he proven himself..." and this my friends is how stallions are made.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:01 PM
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Once this has been stated it's a short hop to"

"He's done enough...he proven himself..." and this my friends is how stallions are made.
The stud market has fallen faster than a boulder off a cliff. He's also a homebred and I have to think the ego within Edward Evans wants to show the racing community that he bred a champion. Met Mile, some other Grade 1's in NY such as the Whitney, Woodward,JCGC, and the Breeder Cup Classic would make Quality Road a sure thing for HOY and if he runs figs comparable to what he did in the Donn Mr. Evan's will have a valuable stud on his farm.
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:44 PM
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Not sure if I agree with that assessment, even if the margin of victory agrees with something close to it. Jerry Brown on TVG right now discussing it and says he "hates giving out numbers like this."
That's why he gives them out every other year.

Left Bank ran the fastest TG number ever in Mid 2002

Congaree ran the fastest TG number ever in Nov of 2002.

Mineshaft ran the fastest TG number ever in a race where Perfect Drift beat him.

Ghostzapper ran the fastest TG number ever.

Midnight Lute ran the fastest TG number ever.

Quality Road is the 6th horse since '02 to run the fastest TG number ever.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:27 PM
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That's why he gives them out every other year.

Left Bank ran the fastest TG number ever in Mid 2002

Congaree ran the fastest TG number ever in Nov of 2002.

Mineshaft ran the fastest TG number ever in a race where Perfect Drift beat him.

Ghostzapper ran the fastest TG number ever.

Midnight Lute ran the fastest TG number ever.

Quality Road is the 6th horse since '02 to run the fastest TG number ever.
Every horse on that list other then PD was a true FREAK
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Every horse on that list other then PD was a true FREAK
Your fixin to go permanent
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Old 02-10-2010, 05:00 PM
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Your fixin to go permanent
Its not true? Take PD off that list and its a whos who of the best horses of the last whatever years.
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Old 02-10-2010, 05:16 PM
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Oh boy...

Next up, MidnightLute1985
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:14 PM
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That's why he gives them out every other year.

Left Bank ran the fastest TG number ever in Mid 2002

Congaree ran the fastest TG number ever in Nov of 2002.

Mineshaft ran the fastest TG number ever in a race where Perfect Drift beat him.

Ghostzapper ran the fastest TG number ever.

Midnight Lute ran the fastest TG number ever.

Quality Road is the 6th horse since '02 to run the fastest TG number ever.

Brown believes horses are faster then they were. He thinks surfaces are much slower then then used to be. I didnt follow the sport to closely in the past to know cushion size at Belmont in 1973 vs. 2010?
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:06 PM
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Brown believes horses are faster then they were. He thinks surfaces are much slower then then used to be. I didnt follow the sport to closely in the past to know cushion size at Belmont in 1973 vs. 2010?
Cushion depth is discussed in the essay 'Are Racehorses Getting Faster?' at thorograph.com.
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Cushion depth is discussed in the essay 'Are Racehorses Getting Faster?' at thorograph.com.
Are Racehorses Getting Faster, Pt. I


Are Racehorses Getting Faster, Pt. II


Are Racehorses Getting Faster, Pt. III
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:53 AM
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Cushion depth is discussed in the essay 'Are Racehorses Getting Faster?' at thorograph.com.
I guess there is some validity to Brown's theory. I don't subscribe and think a horse like Quality Road would be trounced by the horses we have come to know as the fastest the sport has produced. You want Holy Bull, Zapper, Slew, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Bid etc or Quality Road? Plus the Pletcher effect is currently en vogue, all the TAP's are striking a poss in the winners circle. We have seen this act before!
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:20 PM
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I think a horses ability should be judged in relation to how horses at every other commonly run class level are performing.

If you believe that Quality Road's Donn was the single fastest performance ever run by a race horse ... you must also believe that claiming horses of today would routinely trounce great horses like Easy Goer and Sunday Silence with ease.
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:01 AM
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That's why he gives them out every other year.

Left Bank ran the fastest TG number ever in Mid 2002

Congaree ran the fastest TG number ever in Nov of 2002.

Mineshaft ran the fastest TG number ever in a race where Perfect Drift beat him.

Ghostzapper ran the fastest TG number ever.

Midnight Lute ran the fastest TG number ever.

Quality Road is the 6th horse since '02 to run the fastest TG number ever.
It's truly a wonder how fast the breed is improving.

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Old 02-11-2010, 09:03 AM
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It's truly a wonder how fast the breed is improving.

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right on, funny how these horses can only race like 6 or 7 times a year. have to retire because they are not sound but somehow they are faster....lol. remember when horses could win at 5 furlongs or a mile and half? lets see who can now? they run a mile and a half once in a career, belmont day. and most can't make that!(they avoid ten furlongs half the time!) this is why i need these speed figure "gurus"(i need the money...lol). yes, QR ran a fast race, he is freaky fast but hes yet to show he can carry it or string big races together at a distance. he probably is the fastest dirt horse racing right now. but, the fastest "joe blow" speed figure makes him a world beater now? (compared to history) ok, quality road is better than forego, war admiral and seabiscuit.....there are you happy now?
by the way forego was the champion sprinter the same year he won the jockey gold cup (1974). he ran 12 times(1974)....yeah, they are way faster and fitter today......lol........lol. lets wait and see if this horse makes it through the season before all the "greatest" talk.....PLEASE(by the way the horse of the year can't even make it to the races after 8 weeks of training, these horses are gems of consistancy today..c'mon!)

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