Borel to ride Jackson Bend in Wood

Betsy · #1 03-08-2010, 04:05 PM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...n-bend-in-wood

I don't get it. Fly Down, who is more experienced and battle hardened (if you could call 3 races, two photos battle hardened), is being given more time, but Miner's Reserve who only beat maidens, is being pushed? I think it's too much, too soon for Miner's Reserve...

RolloTomasi · #2 03-08-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...n-bend-in-wood

I don't get it. Fly Down, who is more experienced and battle hardened (if you could call 3 races, two photos battle hardened), is being given more time, but Miner's Reserve who only beat maidens, is being pushed? I think it's too much, too soon for Miner's Reserve...

An allowance race and then the Derby Trial (which is in late April) is too much, too soon?

To be perfectly honest, that's a conservative schedule amid the Derby trail coming from Nick Zito.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 03-08-2010, 04:09 PM

You think an allowance race, followed by the Derby Trial is too much too soon?

I've offically now heard everything.

Betsy · #4 03-08-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You think an allowance race, followed by the Derby Trial is too much too soon?

I've offically now heard everything.

Yeah, what's the problem? I don't want the horse pointing for the Preakness. Please explain why this is a good move and why you're acting as if this move can't be questioned.

RolloTomasi · #5 03-08-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Yeah, what's the problem? I don't want the horse pointing for the Preakness. Please explain why this is a good move and why you're acting as if this move can't be questioned.

Firstly, pointing for the Preakness and actually starting in the Preakness are two different things. If he were to win an allowance and the Derby Trial, where else is he supposed to go? Maybe a prep for the Belmont?

Secondly, see the race records of the last 3 male winners of the Preakness prior to the race (Big Brown, Curlin, Bernardini) and then get back to me.

Betsy · #6 03-08-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Firstly, pointing for the Preakness and actually starting in the Preakness are two different things. If he were to win an allowance and the Derby Trial, where else is he supposed to go? Maybe a prep for the Belmont?

Secondly, see the race records of the last 3 male winners of the Preakness prior to the race (Big Brown, Curlin, Bernardini) and then get back to me.

Good points.

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 03-08-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Yeah, what's the problem? I don't want the horse pointing for the Preakness. Please explain why this is a good move and why you're acting as if this move can't be questioned.

The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?

RockHardTen1985 · #8 03-08-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?

I think The Barbaro stakes is a good starting point, lol

Betsy · #9 03-08-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?

Ok, now that's fair. As I said, I tend to be very conservative... a part of me is pretty excited, I admit. I'm just crossing my fingers that he stays healthy.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 03-08-2010, 07:31 PM

You're the John Ward of message board posters.

NTamm1215 · #11 03-08-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...n-bend-in-wood

I don't get it. Fly Down, who is more experienced and battle hardened (if you could call 3 races, two photos battle hardened), is being given more time, but Miner's Reserve who only beat maidens, is being pushed? I think it's too much, too soon for Miner's Reserve...

Where does it say Miner's Reserve is being rushed?

Fly Down made his first start in three months at 9 furlongs, rallied from last and won a nose bob that ended a stretch-long battle. That's a hard race and I imagine Nick Zito knows how quickly his horses bounce back.

NT

RolloTomasi · #12 03-08-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Fly Down made his first start in three months at 9 furlongs, rallied from last and won a nose bob that ended a stretch-long battle. That's a hard race and I imagine Nick Zito knows how quickly his horses bounce back.

NT

I'm not even sure where it says Fly Down is getting time off.

The quote says that he is possible for the upcoming Louisiana Derby.

Danzig · #13 03-08-2010, 04:17 PM

it doesn't say that fly down is getting time off. and a horse going through conditions is being pushed?

Betsy · #14 03-08-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it doesn't say that fly down is getting time off. and a horse going through conditions is being pushed?

Yes - he's going to have at most 4 races going into the Preakness.

Danzig · #15 03-08-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Yes - he's going to have at most 4 races going into the Preakness.

that's far from being pushed, especially in this day and age. he's got the pedigree, he seemingly has talent. if he continues to move forward, there's no reason not to run him. hell, horses go straight to stakes off a maiden win. you're making too much of this.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 03-08-2010, 04:21 PM

If I was mapping out Miner's Reserve going forward ... you'd see what being rushed was all about.

I would survey the scene and absolutely give him a shot in the easiest looking Graded Stake Derby prep... maybe a race like the Illi Derby. If he would win he's in.

RockHardTen1985 · #17 03-08-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If I was mapping out Miner's Reserve going forward ... you'd see what being rushed was all about.

I would survey the scene and absolutely give him a shot in the easiest looking Graded Stake Derby prep... maybe a race like the Illi Derby. If he would win he's in.

He reminds me of CCM.
Thats not really a good thing.

Betsy · #18 03-08-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He reminds me of CCM.
Thats not really a good thing.

CCM is not an untalented horse, but he's not a router. I'm interested to see how he does going short.

How exactly does MF remind you of CCM anyway other than that they have the same sire?

randallscott35 · #19 03-08-2010, 05:36 PM

Jackson Bend reminds me of an improved Circular Quay.

DaTruth · #20 03-08-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If I was mapping out Miner's Reserve going forward ... you'd see what being rushed was all about.

I would survey the scene and absolutely give him a shot in the easiest looking Graded Stake Derby prep... maybe a race like the Illi Derby. If he would win he's in.

The Louisiana Derby would be a good spot. If he runs well there, then the Arkansas Derby is in two weeks. If he is good enough, then after those two stakes he will have enough graded stakes earnings to reserve his spot in the gate for the KY Derby.