why is so much money bet in on cali

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

east coast tracks bel.aq ect do ok when talking about the play in the pick 6
but sa gets such a huge boost in the pick 6 pools why is that .i dont get the attraction the racing is not as good as a whole.so why do the pools get pounded..it takes gulftream 6 carrys aq 2/3 to get what sa would get in 1 day..? must be zenyatta

[ateamstupid]

I've always wondered this too. One-day west coast carryovers seem to be $50k+ year round, while NY routinely gets only $15k-$30k and Kentucky and Florida never get anything.

[Indian Charlie]

Maybe because the p6 originated in CA?

That's not a really good explanation, but that's the only thing I have been ever able to come up with.

[Rootdog1]

time of day. No one on west coast plays east coast racing cause its too early. West coast racing is perfect as it starts when people on the east are ending their workday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

that makes some sence, the time of day but mountneer is at night and it gets nothing..thou the racing is the same.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

east coast tracks bel.aq ect do ok when talking about the play in the pick 6
but sa gets such a huge boost in the pick 6 pools why is that .i dont get the attraction the racing is not as good as a whole.so why do the pools get pounded..it takes gulftream 6 carrys aq 2/3 to get what sa would get in 1 day..? must be zenyatta

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

thats what i was wondering thank you ..

[dagolfer33]

I thought TVG took credit for all those large pools.

[santana]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I thought TVG took credit for all those large pools.

The pick 6 in California was big Before TVG was even thought of.

[NTamm1215]

The multi-race exotics in CA handle more than anywhere else (specifically Pick 6 and Pick 4) but the intra-race exotics in NY usually handle more than CA when they have comparable fields. The exacta pools in NY are huge and the early double usually handles about 2-3 times as much in NY as it does in CA each day.

NT

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by santana

The pick 6 in California was big Before TVG was even thought of.

I said, took credit.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

I have heard similar before and don't get that thinking at all. I guess if you are hoping to hold the only winning ticket, this would be a logical thought, but why would you not play because of syndicates? Who cares if you have to split some of the massive pool with some of these groups?

The other pick 6 player angle/thought that I just don't get is trying to find the horse that nobody else will have. Somebody out there calls this horse a seperator (I think it's Jon White) because it separates you from many of the other tickets that won't have that horse. Handicapping the other tickets that you think will be in a pool with you is a waste of time. Put together the best ticket(s) that you can with your handicapping methods and let it ride. Don't include a horse because you think it may seperate you from the pool, include the horse because you think he can win the race and belongs on your ticket.

To answer Matt's original question, I think it is all of the above. The comments on this thread are right on. Cali was first, the time of day fits perfectly for us east coast working stiffs, normally fast and firm with few scratches and it kind of feeds off itself (the pools are bigger so more people play, which cause the pools to be bigger and so on....).

[Monarchos1]

On track simulcasting is quite limited in California, which is the primary reason their own P6 pools are so high.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by asudevil

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The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

Yep, I get an unsolicited email update here in CA from calracing.com, Golden Gate or Santa Anita or someplace when a California carryover is in play.



I also subscribe heavily to the east coast action on the California tracks theory.

I think putting Mountaineer in the equation to SoCal racing is "apples and oranges."

I think for the most part only real racing fans or truly degenerate gamblers or western Pennsylvania rednecks know about Mountaineer.

I think there are many more than casual horse racing wagerers that have minimal awareness that Mountaineer exists.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Yep, I get an unsolicited email update here in CA from calracing.com, Golden Gate or Santa Anita or someplace when a California carryover is in play.



I also subscribe heavily to the east coast action on the California tracks theory.

I think putting Mountaineer in the equation to SoCal racing is "apples and oranges."

I think for the most part only real racing fans or truly degenerate gamblers or western Pennsylvania rednecks know about Mountaineer.

I think there are many more than casual horse racing wagerers that have minimal awareness that Mountaineer exists.

What ever happened to Waterford Park with those 9 race cards of $1500 claimers ?