Muslims have gone too far

[letswastemoney]

I've been reading about the controversy over drawing Muhammad. Besides the death threats to the South Park creators, now they want to control what people can draw on Facebook?

From what I could tell, they've been successful in getting groups deleted which relate to the topic "Draw Muhammad" and now all the groups are getting overrun with "Everybody Against Draw Muhammad Day" type groups.

It's insane logic, they shouldn't be able to tell what someone who isn't part of their faith can and can't do!!

All you have to do is go on Facebook and search for "Draw Muhammad," click on some of the groups/pages and read through them, and you will read some of the most illogical arguments used by Muslims to justify their actions in restricting American freedom.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's insane logic, they shouldn't be able to tell what someone who isn't part of their faith can and can't do!!

All you have to do is go on Facebook and search for "Draw Muhammad," click on some of the groups/pages and read through them, and you will read some of the most illogical arguments used by Muslims to justify their actions in restricting American freedom.

Whoa, maybe it's just late but I totally feel like if you just inserted some other religion in place of Muslim, and some other social issue in place of "Draw Muhammed," that we might see a mighty strong correlation between religions in general, not just Muslims as a convenient scapegoat, going well out of their way to impose their belief system on folks outside their religion even when those people continually say "hey, we don't believe what you believe, stop telling us what to do based on your belief system."

Jeeez, where have I heard something similar before?

Oh wait, everywhere, on every topic, in the United States. That's why it felt so familiar.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Whoa, maybe it's just late but I totally feel like if you just inserted some other religion in place of Muslim, and some other social issue in place of "Draw Muhammed," that we might see a mighty strong correlation between religions in general, not just Muslims as a convenient scapegoat, going well out of their way to impose their belief system on folks outside their religion even when those people continually say "hey, we don't believe what you believe, stop telling us what to do based on your belief system."

Jeeez, where have I heard something similar before?

Oh wait, everywhere, on every topic, in the United States. That's why it felt so familiar.

Oh that's right. It's very similar. In this country someone gives you their opinion and you are free to accept it or disregard it. In many Muslim countries, they will give you their opinion and if you don't accept it, they will kill you.

Yeah, I guess you are right. That is very similar.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yeah, I guess you are right. That is very similar.

Good to see we're on the same page -- I thought it was a pretty obvious comparison, and I'm glad to see that assessment was correct.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Good to see we're on the same page -- I thought it was a pretty obvious comparison, and I'm glad to see that assessment was correct.

If you really want to know what a great comparison it was, you should go over to one of those Muslim countries and proudly announce to everyone that you are gay. Then you will see how similar those countries are to ours.

For you to even make the comparison is an outrage.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Whoa, maybe it's just late but I totally feel like if you just inserted some other religion in place of Muslim, and some other social issue in place of "Draw Muhammed," that we might see a mighty strong correlation between religions in general, not just Muslims as a convenient scapegoat, going well out of their way to impose their belief system on folks outside their religion even when those people continually say "hey, we don't believe what you believe, stop telling us what to do based on your belief system."

Jeeez, where have I heard something similar before?

Oh wait, everywhere, on every topic, in the United States. That's why it felt so familiar.

This prophet murdered people, and encouraged his followers to do the same. He married a girl at 6 n' fkd her at 9. This scum fkd a girl who played with dolls. That is simply a fact. Other religions are a danger, but this is the one that has zero tolerance for the freedoms you cherish. You're a non-believer. They believe they have the right to kill you, or tax you heavily. I don't think gays would get away with just being taxed.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This prophet murdered people, and encouraged his followers to do the same. He married a girl at 6 n' fkd her at 9. This scum fkd a girl who played with dolls. That is simply a fact. Other religions are a danger, but this is the one that has zero tolerance for the freedoms you cherish. You're a non-believer. They believe they have the right to kill you, or tax you heavily. I don't think gays would get away with just being taxed.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Whoa, maybe it's just late but I totally feel like if you just inserted some other religion in place of Muslim, and some other social issue in place of "Draw Muhammed," that we might see a mighty strong correlation between religions in general, not just Muslims as a convenient scapegoat, going well out of their way to impose their belief system on folks outside their religion even when those people continually say "hey, we don't believe what you believe, stop telling us what to do based on your belief system."

Jeeez, where have I heard something similar before?

Oh wait, everywhere, on every topic, in the United States. That's why it felt so familiar.

Man you figured us out. When I was in high school (all-boys Catholic) we were forced to perform 'service projects.' Under the guise of feeding and clothing the poor, a series of clandestine operations, with the direct supervision of the Society of Jesuit hierarchy were carried out to eliminate those who spoke out against Jesus. We are largely responsible for rounding up the majority of Chicago muslims into one area (Rogers Park) where they can easily be surveyed from one of our headquarters (Misericordia School for the Mentally Disabled) another front the Church uses. The genius part was hiring them as cab drivers and that allowed for easy mobile surveillance as the majority are now in bright yellow vehicles.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Whoa, maybe it's just late but I totally feel like if you just inserted some other religion in place of Muslim, and some other social issue in place of "Draw Muhammed," that we might see a mighty strong correlation between religions in general, not just Muslims as a convenient scapegoat, going well out of their way to impose their belief system on folks outside their religion even when those people continually say "hey, we don't believe what you believe, stop telling us what to do based on your belief system."

Jeeez, where have I heard something similar before?

Oh wait, everywhere, on every topic, in the United States. That's why it felt so familiar.

oh yes its so similar

Muslims will Kill you if you draw a picture. Americans will say, oh maybe that was in bad taste. yes totally similar.

Yeah this is any religious group and quite frankly just about every religious cult gives death threats over cartoons. You're just being a bunch of conservatives. What you need is some rose-coloured 3-D glasses that turn pink unicorns into shocking pink unicorns.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you really want to know what a great comparison it was, you should go over to one of those Muslim countries and proudly announce to everyone that you are gay. Then you will see how similar those countries are to ours.

For you to even make the comparison is an outrage.

Nobody is talking about free speech here (edited to clarify that nobody = in context of your response to me where I"m certainly not talking about it). It's neat that you like it -- I do too, that's why I love this country, and I like our laws too, I'm glad we see eye to eye on that.

The idea that the quote below somehow only applies to Muslims is the crux of my entire response. To make it about anything more than that is just you having a conversation with yourself, since that's not what I'm talking about. Neat that Muslims shouldn't be able to tell people who aren't in their faith what to do, but other religions should feel free to continue to do so...how that moves into a discussion of free speech and American laws and what areas on Earth I may or may not find myself more likely to get killed is beyond me, but if you want to respond to the actual point I'm making, feel free to do so, I'd welcome that -- but MUSLIMS WILL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!11!!!!! is not a response germane to my point, but thanks for giving it a shot anyway, RP.

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's insane logic, they shouldn't be able to tell what someone who isn't part of their faith can and can't do!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Nobody is talking about free speech here. It's neat that you like it -- I do too, that's why I love this country, and I like our laws too, I'm glad we see eye to eye on that.

The idea that the quote below somehow only applies to Muslims is the crux of my entire response. To make it about anything more than that is just you having a conversation with yourself, since that's not what I'm talking about. Neat that Muslims shouldn't be able to tell people who aren't in their faith what to do, but other religions should feel free to continue to do so...how that moves into a discussion of free speech and American laws and what areas on Earth I may or may not find myself more likely to get killed is beyond me, but if you want to respond to the actual point I'm making, feel free to do so, I'd welcome that -- but MUSLIMS WILL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!11!!!!! is not a response germane to my point, but thanks for giving it a shot anyway, RP.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Muslims (or Christians for that matter) stating their opinion. None of us have a problem with that. I don't think that Letswastemoney's point was that he had a problem with Muslims following Muhammad or preaching to others that they should follow Muhammad. I don't think Letswastemoney had a problem with that. I think the problem he had was that they want to force people to behave in certain ways and they want to kill people that don't behave in those ways. I think that was his whole problem.

I guess I misunderstood your post. I thought you were disagreeing with Letswastemoney's main point.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think anyone has a problem with Muslims (or Christians for that matter) stating their opinion. None of us have a problem with that. I don't think that Letswastemoney's point was that he had a problem with Muslims following Muhammad or preaching to others that they should follow Muhammad. I don't think Letswastemoney had a problem with that. I think the problem he had was that they want to force people to behave in certain ways and they want to kill people that don't behave in those ways. I think that was his whole problem.

I guess I misunderstood your post. I thought you were disagreeing with Letswastemoney's main point.

I also don't feel that people wanting to force others to behave in certain ways based on the way they believe is a strictly Muslim issue. I have no problem admitting that the extremes that many Muslims take it to including death threats gets ridiculous and there is NO comparison to Christians or other groups -- but to pretend that *only* Muslims get ridiculous or *only* Muslims want to tell other people what to do (which is why I re-quoted that original sentence in the original post...maybe LWM wouldn't have said it quite that way a second time around, either) is an argument that continually gets made. It's not a trading game where one extreme example cancels out another and then Muslims are left with more than other religions -- crazies are everywhere, and it sounded to me like LWM's post was doing what lots of people do in pretending that Muslims are the only ones capable belonging to the pushy beliefs club and the extreme actions club.

[letswastemoney]

I have thought about this some more, and the other main religions do have lots of restrictions as well that affect the lives of people in other religions, such as the issues between Christians and the gay community.

I just thought the examples I came up, restricting what can be seen on South Park and what can be seen on Facebook, were extreme, that's all.

Come to think of it, if there was something offensive to Christians on South Park, some extremist Christian group would probably try to censor the episode as well.

In conclusion, maybe the world would be better off with no religion.

[rpncaine]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

In conclusion, maybe the world would be better off with no religion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I have thought about this some more, and the other main religions do have lots of restrictions as well that affect the lives of people in other religions, such as the issues between Christians and the gay community.

I just thought the examples I came up, restricting what can be seen on South Park and what can be seen on Facebook, were extreme, that's all.

Come to think of it, if there was something offensive to Christians on South Park, some extremist Christian group would probably try to censor the episode as well.

In conclusion, maybe the world would be better off with no religion.

maybe? i think definitely.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I have thought about this some more, and the other main religions do have lots of restrictions as well that affect the lives of people in other religions, such as the issues between Christians and the gay community.

I just thought the examples I came up, restricting what can be seen on South Park and what can be seen on Facebook, were extreme, that's all.

Come to think of it, if there was something offensive to Christians on South Park, some extremist Christian group would probably try to censor the episode as well.

In conclusion, maybe the world would be better off with no religion.

actually not.. Jesus is a character that is frequently on South Park. they've made fun of more Pope's than anyone. No death threats. They made Mohammad dressed as a Bear and now the writers have to live in hiding.. The whole car bomb in front of the Viacom building in NYC? Same place where South Park is written? I do not believe that was a coincidence.. especially considering that the guy who left the bomb had previously spoken out against the "prophet" in that Danish cartoon.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I also don't feel that people wanting to force others to behave in certain ways based on the way they believe is a strictly Muslim issue. I have no problem admitting that the extremes that many Muslims take it to including death threats gets ridiculous and there is NO comparison to Christians or other groups -- but to pretend that *only* Muslims get ridiculous or *only* Muslims want to tell other people what to do (which is why I re-quoted that original sentence in the original post...maybe LWM wouldn't have said it quite that way a second time around, either) is an argument that continually gets made. It's not a trading game where one extreme example cancels out another and then Muslims are left with more than other religions -- crazies are everywhere, and it sounded to me like LWM's post was doing what lots of people do in pretending that Muslims are the only ones capable belonging to the pushy beliefs club and the extreme actions club.

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims".

The Atlanta Olympic bomber, Kansas Abortion Clinic Dr murderer, Oklahoma City Bomber, and on and on....all non-Muslims acting in the name of these bull sh*t "America" Religions...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims".

The Atlanta Olympic bomber, Kansas Abortion Clinic Dr murderer, Oklahoma City Bomber, and on and on....all non-Muslims acting in the name of these bull sh*t "America" Religions...

OK, were those alleged Christian perpetrators promised 72 virgins in paradise for their acts?

How about looking at scale: when was the last time 19 Christians killed over 3000 innocent people?

And the people saying "They will cut your head off in the middle east" are correct -- we don't have anything like that on the books over here. When we occasionally do carry out the sentence in a capital case, it's after many levels of mandatory appeals and normally around 25 years after the crime -- and the crimes are not defined by religious offenses.

Is decapitating an infidel considered "measured response" in the middle east? Ask Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims"....

Notice how people in the other religions have no problem condemning "whacko" acts, but Muslims are often very slow to condemn these horrible acts. How many of them are complaining about Muslims threatening to kill people over cartoons n' such crap? These people are members of a glorified gang. I will remind you that he told them to kill members who try to leave the faith. Those are gang rules. Just want you to know the rules the scum (your sticking up for) have been given by their thug "prophet." This is a gang. 20-25% of the world belong to a damn gang of scum. Any chance they get, they are gunna bring pain to those who choose not to join this gang. I feel like the legit point people want to make is that nobody should be singled out, and threatened physically for their "religious belefs." That an important point, but somewhere along the line these people have to understand that non-Muslims are no longer gunna put up with their crap. That includes not putting up with their threats to kill people who draw images they don't like. FK THEM. It's called freedom, and their Prophet didn't like Freedom. Fk him, too.