Un MOTHER F'n BELIEVABLE - Full Tilt

[Scav]

Haven't gone off in a while so here we go

So I have 8.70 in my full tilt account, I play a satellitte to get a $26 token...I qualify.

I am playing in the 20k guarantee, make the cut so I am collecting. I have like 35k in chips(like 15th place) and I get dealt the dreaded AA, 33 people are left right now...If I double up here, puts me in 6th place, which means I could have made the final table and 7th was paying 1k...

Board is 9s-6s-4h, SAFE for AsAh, I raise hefty amount, I GET RAISED by this LOOSE player, I obviously go all in, he flips over 9-K, i am like YES..

Next Card

Oh wouldn't you believe a mother f'n K, King of spades though so at least I had 10 outs at the river, river is the rag of all rags.

guy has 6 outs and still screws me, I was like 85/15 I figure...so I get like $86 for my time and guess how long that lasted...um 8 minutes

F'n mother f'n AA, I hate that friggin hand

[hockey2315]

Pokerstars is about 100x worse for that kind of stuff. . . not for something that is statistically possible like that guy catching the king, but something like a guy all in with AK with a 10 on the board and catching J and Q on the turn and river. . . I feel your pain

[miraja2]

I hate aces too. I want a hand that I can get away from. People play so loose nowadays....calling and raising with draws and top pairs, that aces get busted a lot. Give me 8-9 suited any day over the dreaded AA.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I hate aces too. I want a hand that I can get away from. People play so loose nowadays....calling and raising with draws and top pairs, that aces get busted a lot. Give me 8-9 suited any day over the dreaded AA.

In a full-ring limit game AA will hold up something like 11 out of 20 times.

A few days ago, I was playing limit and I'm the BB. Real loose game and by the time it got to L1, it was capped and by the time it got to me there were 8 people still in. I figured at least 7, besides me, to the flop. I folded . This has happened to me several times and I'm convinced it's the right thing to do as it's hugely unlikely I can improve (other A's already out, I figure) and with that many in, I'm gonna lose to a set or flopped 2-pair.

Comments?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

In a full-ring limit game AA will hold up something like 11 out of 20 times.

A few days ago, I was playing limit and I'm the BB. Real loose game and by the time it got to L1, it was capped and by the time it got to me there were 8 people still in. I figured at least 7, besides me, to the flop. I folded . This has happened to me several times and I'm convinced it's the right thing to do as it's hugely unlikely I can improve (other A's already out, I figure) and with that many in, I'm gonna lose to a set or flopped 2-pair.

Comments?

Interesting philosophy there and I am guessing it is different for a ring game compared to tourney, something to really think about...Limit games on the net are borderline insane, it is the reason why NL online has become popular

In a tourney, it is an automatic all in pre-flop if you raise and get raised, that was my mistake from last night, I should have just taken what I had their, but the guy had position on me so he just called, plus the he had about 15k more in chips then me so he would have probably been pot committed

You on Full Tilt bruce?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Scav

Interesting philosophy there and I am guessing it is different for a ring game compared to tourney, something to really think about...Limit games on the net are borderline insane, it is the reason why NL online has become popular

In a tourney, it is an automatic all in pre-flop if you raise and get raised, that was my mistake from last night, I should have just taken what I had their, but the guy had position on me so he just called, plus the he had about 15k more in chips then me so he would have probably been pot committed

You on Full Tilt bruce?

P-Stars, Tom.

95% of the time I'm playing heads up SnG's NL. The $50 and up are all solid players, but I'm crushing the $20's. 61% over the past 2 years. (52.5% is BE). Play about 1 hour a day, usually 3-4 games. It's the grocery money. I'm barely even playing 3/6 limit. Between being barely even and needing the time to be as patient as needed, I don't play it much. Full ring or tourney NL is not my thing. I'm no good at it.

[shanej974]

NEVER, EVER fold A-A preflop in a limit ring game. You have the best starting hand and are the preflop favorite no matter how many other players are in. In fact, you should want the betting capped because you will win more often then anyone else and the pots will be larger. Yes, your aces will get cracked more often with more players in, but that will be offset by the large pots you win when your aces hold up. If the betting isn't capped then you should keep raising. The only time it would be reasonable to fold A-A is in a tournament when other players are all-in against each other and the elimination of one will put you in the money or place you higher if you're already in the money. Extreme example: you're at the final table of a tournament and it's down to 3 players. You're the small stack and the other 2 players have huge stacks. You're in the BB with A-A. The button raises all in and the small blind calls. You should fold your aces here. Ideally the larger of the 2 big stacks will knock out the other player and you have just moved up to 2nd place money. Obviously the size of the stacks is a determining factor on whether to muck your aces or not. Back to the limit ring game. If you fold A-A preflop then you're invited to play at my table any day of the week.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

In a full-ring limit game AA will hold up something like 11 out of 20 times.

A few days ago, I was playing limit and I'm the BB. Real loose game and by the time it got to L1, it was capped and by the time it got to me there were 8 people still in. I figured at least 7, besides me, to the flop. I folded . This has happened to me several times and I'm convinced it's the right thing to do as it's hugely unlikely I can improve (other A's already out, I figure) and with that many in, I'm gonna lose to a set or flopped 2-pair.

Comments?

I'm hardly an expert, but I have played a lot of limit online. I've been beating the 3-6 games very steadily for 3 years.

I think folding AA as you did was a big mistake. You cannot assume in a loose game that the other aces are out just because there are a lot of callers. Even if they are out, that's 2 opponents who you will be dominating massively. In addition, your 2 aces give you 2 ways to make the nut flush when 4-of-a-suit are on the board.

You are going to get beat most of the time, but you are probably getting 3 or 4-1 odds to the end, so you only have to win a little more than 25% of the time to show a profit. Your aces will hold up that often.

--Dunbar