I need to listen to ATR more often

[DaTruth]

The second-hour segment with Steve Davidowitz on Wednesday was excellent. A lesser host would have lightly scolded Davidowitz for his patently absurd opinion about Zenyatta's place among the distaff elites of the last 30 years, but Byk went for the kill and said exactly what needed to be said. You have to listen to it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The second-hour segment with Steve Davidowitz on Wednesday was excellent. A lesser host would have lightly scolded Davidowitz for his patently absurd opinion about Zenyatta's place among the distaff elites of the last 30 years, but Byk went for the kill and said exactly what needed to be said. You have to listen to it.

"I'm sick of the Rachel...stop bringing Rachel Alexandra into the equation, she's got nothing to do with it, she's got nothing to do with this conversation."

Unreal.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Personal Ensign's name came up in the conversation. Talk about a horse that didn't travel much: Personal Ensign had 13 lifetime races. Of those 13 lifetime races, 11 of them were in New York and 10 of them were at Belmont. Every race of her career was at Belmont except for three races. She ran once at Saratoga, once at Monmouth, and once at Churchill. That was it.

She never came out to the west coast, not even once. At least Zenyatta has gone back east a couple of times and is going to go back there again later this year.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/Person...ifetime_PP.pdf

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Personal Ensign's name came up in the conversation. Talk about a horse that didn't travel much: Personal Ensign had 13 lifetime races. Of those 13 lifetime races, 11 of them were in New York and 10 of them were at Belmont. Every race of her career was at Belmont except for three races. She ran once at Saratoga, once at Monmouth, and once at Churchill. That was it.

She never came out to the west coast, not even once. At least Zenyatta has gone back east a couple of times and is going to go back there again later this year.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/Person...ifetime_PP.pdf

You are seriously trying to compare these two situations?

If you notice PE's 2nd season of running after she had a ton of screws placed in her leg, lasted from Sept 6 to Oct 18th in which she managed to squeeze in 4 races.

Her 4 year old season she won 2 grade 1's at Belmont, went to Monmouth then traveled to Saratoga to run in a grade 1 against colts in the slop, knocked out 2 more grade 1's at Belmont in the fall (you might remember when the Belmont fall meeting was important?) and concluded the year and her career in the mud at CD.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are seriously trying to compare these two situations?

If you notice PE's 2nd season of running after she had a ton of screws placed in her leg, lasted from Sept 6 to Oct 18th in which she managed to squeeze in 4 races.

Her 4 year old season she won 2 grade 1's at Belmont, went to Monmouth then traveled to Saratoga to run in a grade 1 against colts in the slop, knocked out 2 more grade 1's at Belmont in the fall (you might remember when the Belmont fall meeting was important?) and concluded the year and her career in the mud at CD.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate. Out of Personal Ensign's 13 lifetime races, 10 of them were at Belmont and she never travelled out to the west coast.

I didn't hear people complaining that practically all her races were at Belmont.

The truth of the matter is, it is silly to knock either one of them.

In Zenyatta's 5 year old season she won 5 grade 1's including the BC Classic against the boys. This year she went to Oaklawn and won a grade 1 there. She has now won 8 grade 1's in a row.

[ateamstupid]

Davidowitz: "Personal Ensign ran down Winning Colors who was running her eyeballs out, just like Zenyatta ran down St Trinians who was running her eyeballs out."




I obviously respect his opinion, but his lack of perspective in this discussion is incredible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm just playing the devil's advocate. Out of Personal Ensign's 13 lifetime races, 10 of them were at Belmont and she never travelled out to the west coast.

I didn't hear people complaining that practically all her races were at Belmont.

The truth of the matter is, it is silly to knock either one of them.

In Zenyatta's 5 year old season she won 5 grade 1's including the BC Classic against the boys. This year she went to Oaklawn and won a grade 1 there. She has now won 8 grade 1's in a row.

Did PE ever run in the same race twice? It isnt silly to knock the schedule that Zenyatta's people have taken.

[MisterB]

I found it to be unfortunate. Can't get all rattled on air.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The second-hour segment with Steve Davidowitz on Wednesday was excellent. A lesser host would have lightly scolded Davidowitz for his patently absurd opinion about Zenyatta's place among the distaff elites of the last 30 years, but Byk went for the kill and said exactly what needed to be said. You have to listen to it.

I respect both Steve's, both have earned the right to express their opinions in horseracing, it's easy to call one opinion as absurb from the position we are sitting in. So they disagree, great radio, it doesn't make one opinion lesser than the other.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

I respect both Steve's, both have earned the right to express their opinions in horseracing, it's easy to call one opinion as absurb from the position we are sitting in. So they disagree, great radio, it doesn't make one opinion lesser than the other.

Its lesser when someone calls St Trinians - Winning Colors

[kgar311]

Im surprised that no one has mentioned the horse in which Zenyattas name was to replace in the Stake out west. Zen wouldn't have even been able to sniff Lady's Secrets ass! Let alone Personal Ensign

[XIIPointStables]

Yikes. Just listened.

I loved the back and forth, right up until Steve pulled the "talk to you next week" and went to the break.

It's his show. I guess he can treat guests the way he wants to.

And I could not disagree more with Davidowitz's take on this. Steve B sums up most of my thoughts on the current place in history of Zenyatta.

But I appreciate Steve D's passion and opinion...much like I appreciate Andy on the radio and on NYRA...and many other radio and TV guys who have an opinion and are not just stat and commercial readers.

I think the next step is for Steve to have Mr. Moss on the phone and say the same things he said with Seth Morrow in the next segment.

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I think the next step is for Steve to have Mr. Moss on the phone and say the same things he said with Seth Morrow in the next segment.

Mr. and Mrs. Moss and have SCUDS sit in and handle her.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

I respect both Steve's, both have earned the right to express their opinions in horseracing, it's easy to call one opinion as absurb from the position we are sitting in. So they disagree, great radio, it doesn't make one opinion lesser than the other.

If Byk is sitting on the left of you, and Davidowitz on the right, who do you listen to?

If it were me in that situation, I'd tell Byk to stop banning PG1985 and I'd tell Davidowitz that he needs to lay off the Zenyatta Kool Aid.

I'd then stand up and yell out to Rupert that yeah, PE didn't ship, but she was facing much much much much better competition in her career, and there was no reason to ship out of the area.

Back in the day, I used to rip on East coast trainers that would refuse to ship
west, but not with Personal Ensign, as I felt she wasn't beating up on a bunch of cream puffs.

Zenyatta feeds on cream puffs.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

If Byk is sitting on the left of you, and Davidowitz on the right, who do you listen to?

If it were me in that situation, I'd tell Byk to stop banning PG1985 and I'd tell Davidowitz that he needs to lay off the Zenyatta Kool Aid.

I'd then stand up and yell out to Rupert that yeah, PE didn't ship, but she was facing much much much much better competition in her career, and there was no reason to ship out of the area.

Back in the day, I used to rip on East coast trainers that would refuse to ship
west, but not with Personal Ensign, as I felt she wasn't beating up on a bunch of cream puffs.

Zenyatta feeds on cream puffs.

After the info I got yesterday on the Arlington thread, I would be looking for Brian S Spencer, heck I may even buy him a beer.

[Indian Charlie]

Just listening now.

He ranked Azeri, prior to Zenyatta anyways, as the 2nd best mare he's ever seen.

Nuff said.

He's clueless.

And if Zenyatta is the best mare he's ever seen, shouldn't she be able to beat Quality Road?

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Just listening now.

He ranked Azeri, prior to Zenyatta anyways, as the 2nd best mare he's ever seen.

Nuff said.

He's clueless.

And if Zenyatta is the best mare he's ever seen, shouldn't she be able to beat Quality Road?

Maybe he didn't wear glasses from 1970-1995

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

And if Zenyatta is the best mare he's ever seen, shouldn't she be able to beat Quality Road?

This absolutely cracked me up. She's the best mare of his lifetime because of what he's seen, she could compete with the best males of the last 25 years but he wouldn't bet her to beat Quality Road? That was where he completely lost all credibility to me. He got close after comparing the 1988 BC Distaff to the 2010 Vanity.

NT

[slotdirt]

Would anybody rank Quality Road in the top 50 handicap horses of the last 25 years?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Would anybody rank Quality Road in the top 50 handicap horses of the last 25 years?

RHT1985 would i'm sure.