7/10 (HOL): Hollywood Gold Cup & Triple Bend H. (G1's)

Kasept · #1 07-07-2010, 05:09 PM

6th (3:35) Triple Bend H. (G1)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 E Z's Gentleman Pedroza M A 116 L
2 Fantasy Free Berrio O A 114 L
3 M One Rifle Smith M E 117 L
4 Gayego Bejarano R 122
5 Bestdressed Espinoza V 114 L
6 Sangaree Garcia M 116 L
7 My Summer Slew Quinonez A 114 L
8 New Bay Baze T C 114 L

8th (4:35) Hollywood Gold Cup H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Cigar Man Talamo J 113 L
2 Compari Smith M E 117 L
3 Awesome Gem Flores D R 116 L
4 Richard's Kid Garcia M 121
5 Tres Borrachos Espinoza V 113 L
6 Rail Trip Bejarano R 123 L
7 Tap It Light Baze T C 114 L

the_fat_man · #2 07-07-2010, 05:14 PM

Would love to have seen the, POTENTIAL, Horse of the Year, Quality Road, entered in this race. Shouldn't the, presently, BEST DIRT HORSE in training be able to handle a bunch of turfers and POLY lovers? Why are they forcing the poor horse to run exclusively on dirt? Ship him across the country. Put him on another surface so we can see how a superior horse runs.

cmorioles · #3 07-07-2010, 05:20 PM

Yeah, that makes sense, ship a superior dirt horse across the country to run against poly and turf lovers on polyturf. Great plan. As an aside, I don't think Rail Trip is winning that race.

the_fat_man · #4 07-07-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, that makes sense, ship a superior dirt horse across the country to run against poly and turf lovers on polyturf. Great plan.

In other words, he falls flat on his face on a non speed favoring surface.

cmorioles · #5 07-07-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, he falls flat on his face on a non speed favoring surface.

I don't think it has anything to do with speed favoring. It is a distinctly DIFFERENT surface. I wouldn't expect him to win if she shipped to Europe to run in a G1 turf race either.

the_fat_man · #6 07-07-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't think it has anything to do with speed favoring. It is a distinctly DIFFERENT surface. I wouldn't expect him to win if she shipped to Europe to run in a G1 turf race either.

I think it has EVERYTHING to do with speed favoring when it comes to him. That's my point.

RolloTomasi · #7 07-07-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

As an aside, I don't think Rail Trip is winning that race.

What's your reasoning behind this?

cmorioles · #8 07-07-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What's your reasoning behind this?

I haven't been that blown away by his races this year, and I don't think 10f is his best distance either. The track is not playing to his style like it was last year also, in my opinion.

cmorioles · #9 07-10-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, that makes sense, ship a superior dirt horse across the country to run against poly and turf lovers on polyturf. Great plan. As an aside, I don't think Rail Trip is winning that race.

I'm just saying...

hockey2315 · #10 07-10-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm just saying...

You're not really taking credit for that - are you?

cmorioles · #11 07-10-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

You're not really taking credit for that - are you?

I said it early in the thread and I was right...he was 2 to 5. Am I supposed to recant?

NTamm1215 · #12 07-07-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Would love to have seen the, POTENTIAL, Horse of the Year, Quality Road, entered in this race. Shouldn't the, presently, BEST DIRT HORSE in training be able to handle a bunch of turfers and POLY lovers? Why are they forcing the poor horse to run exclusively on dirt? Ship him across the country. Put him on another surface so we can see how a superior horse runs.

Wouldn't it have been easier for the greatest synthetic horse of all time to just pop out of her stall and beat these horses? It's not like it would have been much of a ship.

NT

the_fat_man · #13 07-07-2010, 05:25 PM

Now, NTamm, is the preeminent back handed Z supporter online presently. He never misses a chance to bring Z into just about ANY argument, negatively, while insisting that he appreciates her ability.

Way to go, Nick.

NTamm1215 · #14 07-07-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Now, NTamm, is the preeminent back handed Z supporter online presently. He never misses a chance to bring Z into just about ANY argument, negatively, while insisting that he appreciates her ability.

Way to go, Nick.

Appreciating her ability and thinking her connections are putting her through a worthless campaign are not mutually exclusive.

You don't have a sound reason for her not running here though, right?

NT

the_fat_man · #15 07-07-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Appreciating her ability and thinking her connections are putting her through a worthless campaign are not mutually exclusive.

You don't have a sound reason for her not running here though, right?

NT

I do. They gain NOTHING by running her in that spot, assuming they're objective for coming back was Horse of the Year. They started the year with a two pronged path:

1) Beat the reigning Horse of the Year in OP
and/or
2 Win the Classic again

Since 1 fell through, circumstances beyond their control, they're left with 2.
Explain to me how beating Rail Trip or Richard's Kid helps her?

If she doesn't win the classic, she's not HOTY. If she doesn't do the Classic and wins the GC, she's not HOTY. See a pattern?