Raw Talent...

RockHardTen1985 · #1 08-10-2010, 02:38 PM

Name the 5 most talented horses in the past 10 years, not the most accomplished or the ones with the most Grade 1's... Just those horses that we may have called freaks, all USA list.

Bernardini
Midnight Lute
Eskendereya
Point Given
Zenyatta

MaTH716 · #2 08-10-2010, 02:49 PM

I'm really starting to hate Tuesday's around here........

RockHardTen1985 · #3 08-10-2010, 02:54 PM

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I'm really starting to hate Tuesday's around here........

I was just reading through some old threads, and I noticed someone saying Bernardini is the second best horse they ever saw, what an amazing horse.... It got me thinking. So instead of this response, why not your opinion.

MaTH716 · #4 08-10-2010, 02:57 PM

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I was just reading through some old threads, and I noticed someone saying Bernardini is the second best horse they ever saw, what an amazing horse.... It got me thinking. So instead of this response, why not your opinion.

I personally think that the list doesn't make any sense. How does Zenyatta make it? Unless the point is to start ANOTHER useless thread revolving around her.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 08-10-2010, 03:02 PM

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I personally think that the list doesn't make any sense. How does Zenyatta make it? Unless the point is to start ANOTHER useless thread revolving around her.

It has nothing at all to do with Z, its my opinion. IMO she is one of the most talented horses I have saw. 18/18, the way she wins, beating the boys. In all honesty, at 9f OR 10f Bernardini, Eskendereya and Point Given would have all CRUSHED HER.

MaTH716 · #6 08-10-2010, 03:09 PM

Maybe the fact that Eskendereya made the list is F'n me up. While I agree that there is a chance he could have been a special horse, I have a tough time putting him on top of any list based on the limited number of times he ran. Not to mention the company he ran against.

Port Conway Lane · #7 08-10-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Name the 5 most talented horses in the past 10 years, not the most accomplished or the ones with the most Grade 1's... Just those horses that we may have called freaks, all USA list.

Bernardini
Midnight Lute
Eskendereya
Point Given
Zenyatta

I usually think of horses who display brilliant speed and are able to perform best at a mile or better.

Ghostzapper
Discreet Cat
Quality Road
Hard Spun

MISTERGEE · #8 08-10-2010, 03:09 PM

how bout Mineshaft?

RockHardTen1985 · #9 08-10-2010, 03:15 PM

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how bout Mineshaft?

Lets wait for Randall to comment on him, he is the Mineshaft pro.

What do all these horses have in common?

Quest, Evening Attire, Hold that Tiger, Puzzlement, Volponi, Dollar Bill, Western Pride, Judges Case, American Style Mettron, Strive, Bonapaw, Learned, Discreet Hero, Majestic Theif, Moon Ballard, Revised Note, Roar Of The Tiger

Port Conway Lane · #10 08-10-2010, 03:18 PM

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Lets wait for Randall to comment on him, he is the Mineshaft pro.

What do all these horses have in common?

Quest, Evening Attire, Hold that Tiger, Puzzlement, Volponi, Dollar Bill, Western Pride, Judges Case, American Style Mettron, Strive, Bonapaw, Learned, Discreet Hero, Majestic Theif, Moon Ballard, Revised Note, Roar Of The Tiger

I'm not familiar with half of them but of the ones I recognize I'll say they finished second and third more times than they won.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 08-10-2010, 03:21 PM

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I'm not familiar with half of them but of the ones I recognize I'll say they finished second and third more times than they won.

Its basicley the 2-3 finishers from all of Mineshafts races, and you not being familiar with half of them says it all IMO. Mineshaft, I guess was ok, but losing to Perfect Drift and the best horse you ever beat being Volponi does not say much IMO.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 08-10-2010, 03:11 PM

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I usually think of horses who display brilliant speed and are able to perform best at a mile or better.

Ghostzapper
Discreet Cat
Quality Road
Hard Spun

I totally agree with this list, Ghostzapper is likely the most brillant of them all.

CSC · #13 08-10-2010, 03:21 PM

Single race, who wins? Ghostzapper vs. Candy Ride in the 2003 Pacific Classic.

NTamm1215 · #14 08-10-2010, 03:22 PM

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Single race, who wins? Ghostzapper vs. Candy Ride in the 2003 Pacific Classic.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the brilliant, fantastic, raw talent freak Candy Ride.

NT

RockHardTen1985 · #15 08-10-2010, 03:22 PM

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I was waiting for someone to bring up the brilliant, fantastic, raw talent freak Candy Ride.

NT

Please dont go there. Candy Ride was A BEAST. He is also on my list. He is 1a.

Round Pen · #16 08-10-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Name the 5 most talented horses in the past 10 years, not the most accomplished or the ones with the most Grade 1's... Just those horses that we may have called freaks, all USA list.

Bernardini
Midnight Lute
Eskendereya
Point Given
Zenyatta

I actually think its a pretty neat Question this is from A Personel Experience a little earlier than 2000 I believe 1998(without looking it Up) We Broke An trained Chilukki from the first time we breezed her up until we sold her at fasig Tipton I thought she was an absolute freak. Still to this day when she made her debut at CD it was the biggest win bet I have ever made.

RockHardTen1985 · #17 08-10-2010, 03:31 PM

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I actually think its a pretty neat Question this is from A Personel Experience a little earlier than 2000 I believe 1998(without looking it Up) We Broke An trained Chilukki from the first time we breezed her up until we sold her at fasig Tipton I thought she was an absolute freak. Still to this day when she made her debut at CD it was the biggest win bet I have ever made.

She was a total freak...

She broke her maiden with a 109 beyer first time out. 4.5 furlongs at Churchill in 51 flat winning by 9.5 lenghts.
At the time Cherokee Runs stud fee was 20k and she sold for 875k, I wonder what her sale work was. Doug?

Round Pen · #18 08-10-2010, 04:53 PM

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She was a total freak...

She broke her maiden with a 109 beyer first time out. 4.5 furlongs at Churchill in 51 flat winning by 9.5 lenghts.
At the time Cherokee Runs stud fee was 20k and she sold for 875k, I wonder what her sale work was. Doug?

Hmmm Good Question I want to say she went in 21 Flat and when she did it that was unheard of, I actually Checked Fasig tiptons Website they have an Archive for Under tack shows but it only goes back till 2003. Mitch

Thunder Gulch · #19 08-10-2010, 06:29 PM

Ghostzapper. Fastest horse the last 10 years.

Mineshaft. The best handicapper season since Cigar.

Curlin. As already stated, to go from a late debut to the Preakness with so little foundation against a good crop. He validated it later on.

Smarty Jones. Ran the 3 fastest spring sheet numbers ever at the time. Before he got to Churchill, he was the fastest they had on record. 3rd in the Belmont was 8 lengths back.

Point Given/Empire Maker. This is subjective. While both accomplished quite a bit- particularly PG's 4 straight million dollar races- I'm not sure we saw the best of them. I think either could have been a monster at 4.

Very difficult to leave off Barbaro, whom many think was better on turf, Rachel Alexandra, the best 3yo filly I ever saw, or Midnight Lute when he was healthy.

dalakhani · #20 08-10-2010, 10:56 PM

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2/9/03 Fairgrounds... It was a Grade 3 that Balto Star actually won, Mineshaft finished second, less then a length ahead of Bonapaw.
After that race is when he appears to have got really good, winning 6/7 and all 7 races he beyered 114 or higher.

Big brown, midnight lute, fusaichi Pegasus of the ones that haven't been named