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Old 10-20-2010, 02:29 PM
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Default 10/23 (BEL): New York Bred Showcase Day

2nd (1:31) Hudson S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Heavenly Blaze Samyn J L 117 L
2 Rollers Luzzi M J 119 L
3 Driven by Success Velazquez J R 124 L
4 Raynick's Jet Dominguez R A 117 L
5 General Maximus Castellano J J 119 L
6 Good Card Espinoza J L 119 L
7 Endless Circle Prado E S 124 L
8 Be Bullish Cohen D 121 L



4th (2:35) Maid of the Mist S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Sentimental Lass Maragh R 116 L
2 Floating Alone Velasquez C 116 L
3 Readygetsgold Hill C 116 L
4 Queen's Harbor Castellano J J 116 L
5 Ausable Chasm Castro E 116 L
6 Upper East Sider Samyn J L 116 L
7 Saltamontes Dominguez R A 120 L
8 Lady Vi Lezcano J 122 L
9 Hessonite Velazquez J R 116 L
10 Social Statement Cohen D 116 L



6th (3:39) Mohawk S.

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

2 Good Prospect Velasquez C 117 L
3 Straight Story Castellano J J 123 L
4 Pocket Cowboys Prado E S 117 L
5 Johannesburg Smile Coa E M 114 L
6 Midnight Billy Lezcano J 117 L
7 Kutais Castro E 117 L
1 Pretty Boy Freud Velazquez J R 117 L
8 Spa City Fever Chavez J F 117 L
9 Piazza Di Spagna Maragh R 117 L
1A Uncle T Seven Dominguez R A 123 L
AE 10 Mr. Vegas Maragh R 114 L

A-Coupled: Pretty Boy Freud and Uncle T Seven



7th (4:11) Sleepy Hollow S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Crea's Law Castellano J J 115 L
2 Private Rules Maragh R 115 Blk-On L
3 Stopthefever Coa E M 115 L
4 Luxury Appeal Prado E S 115 L
5 Never Right Joey Velazquez J R 119 L
6 Bandbox Dominguez R A 122 L
7 Our Brave Warrior Castro E 115 L
8 Pin Number Luzzi M J 115 Blk-On L
9 Hysterical Cat Cohen D 115 L
10 Bambi Bound Lezcano J 115 L
11 Bound by Humor Solis A 113 L



8th (4:43) Iroquois S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Shine Upon Cohen D 119 Blk-Off L
2 My Dinah Espinoza J L 124 L
3 Fivefifteen Husbands S P 117 L
4 Karakorum Fugitive Coa E M 119 L
5 Mother Russia Velasquez C 119 L
6 Sapphire Sky Velazquez J R 121 L
7 Cody Samora Luzzi M J 117 L
8 R Betty Graybull Marquez C H Jr 124 L
9 City Broad Castellano J J 119
10 Meese Rocks Dominguez R A 124 L
11 Lovely Lil Maragh R 115 L



9th (5:15) Empire Classic S.

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

3 Wishful Tomcat Dominguez R A 120 L
1 Manteca Cohen D 124 L
4 Ruffino Luzzi M J 118 L
2 Friend Or Foe Solis A 115 L
5 Icabad Crane Maragh R 122 L
1A Ibboyee Velazquez J R 121 L
6 Naughty New Yorker Velasquez C 120 L
2B Mine Over Matter Castellano J J 119 L
7 Stormy's Majesty Lezcano J 121 L
8 Giant Moon Prado E S 122 L
9 Star of New York Espinoza J L 118 L

A-Coupled: Manteca and Ibboyee
B-Coupled: Friend Or Foe and Mine Over Matter



10th (5:47) Ticonderoga S.

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 You Go West Girl Lezcano J 119 L
2 Chestoria Coa E M 123 L
3 Exclusive Scheme Dominguez R A 123 L
4 My Magic Moment Marquez C H Jr 117 L
5 Stormy Relations Velasquez C 119 L
6 Meriwether Jessica Cohen D 123 L
7 Crazy Catlady Prado E S 117 L
8 Paraiba Velazquez J R 119 L
9 Ms Stilleto Castro E 119 L
10 Akilina Maragh R 119 L
AE Chorus Music Castellano J J 117 L
AE Frivolous Buck Solis A 117 L
MTO Rogue's Jewel Castellano J J 120 L
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:40 PM
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Kelly's running Upper East Sider on the dirt? Maybe that's why he's a 3% trainer.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:00 PM
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What made them run the Ticonderoga last? Odd... Then again, today's feature is on the track now, for the 5th.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:06 PM
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What made them run the Ticonderoga last? Odd... Then again, today's feature is on the track now, for the 5th.
The Empire Classic was generally the last race on Showcase Day, right?

For what it's worth these races are solid and should offer great value.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:51 PM
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The Empire Classic was generally the last race on Showcase Day, right?
Coupled entries.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:22 PM
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The Empire Classic was generally the last race on Showcase Day, right?

For what it's worth these races are solid and should offer great value.
No value at all on the 6th. 7th, the 5,6 look tough Ill back up with 1,7,9. Im must be missing the value on the 8th. I think its all 10,11... Will toss in the 4 just in case. Where is your value? Ill also be making a large bet on Paraiba in the last. Been chasing this girl, trips have been horrible. I need one good late run tomorrow.

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Old 10-22-2010, 10:54 PM
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Nick Im waiting for your picks on 7th,8th and 10th. Take your time slim.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:56 PM
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No value at all on the 6th. 7th, the 5,6 look tough Ill back up with 1,7,9. Im must be missing the value on the 8th. I think its all 10,11... Will toss in the 4 just in case. Where is your value? Ill also be making a large bet on Paraiba in the last. Been chasing this girl, trips have been horrible. I need one good late run tomorrow.
The three non-stakes might have a grand total of 2 horses at less than 3-1 and if one of them is City Train they can have him.

The two 2YO races are wide-open though Bandbox should be very tough. I can see Crea's Law running well in there. I think the entry will give Straight Story all he can handle. He was far from impressive in the West Point over a very speed-favoring course when he loafed early.

I'm against Meese Rocks tomorrow because she doesn't want a yard more than 6.5 furlongs. If she wins it's because Dominguez is a magician. I do like Lovely Lil as well though. My Dinah can easily win that race.

Friend or Foe should be tough in the Empire Classic but the fact that Kimmel was poised to enter him in two stakes races worth more money and opted out is disconcerting. His entrymate has come out of nowhere and looks like a new horse so that could be F or F's pick me up if he needs it.

The nightcap is wide open, Paraiba deserves another chance I guess but I'm starting to think she just isn't any good and she just fooled everyone in that Delaware race against a crappy field.

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Nick Im waiting for your picks on 7th,8th and 10th. Take your time slim.
You know where to find my picks.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:46 PM
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Kelly's running Upper East Sider on the dirt? Maybe that's why he's a 3% trainer.
Not exactly fair to me to necessarily criticize Kelly here. Yes she was very impressive on the grass, but he tried to get her into the Miss Grillo I think it was but she was an AE, and the condition books at this time of year aren't exactly brimming with 2YO turf allowances and stakes. While this race actually looks like an ok group, her debut was over a wet racetrack against a pretty good field of 2YOs at Saratoga, as well as an open field. She has to be able to run better than that I would think, as well as the fact that she can rate in a race that looks to have a lot of speed. Yeah, she's going to be a good turf horse IMO and a much better grass horse than dirt horse, but he tried to get her in, got stuck on the AE's and looks to be taking a shot for
100K in an NY-bred resticted race. Can't really blame him.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:51 PM
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Not exactly fair to me to necessarily criticize Kelly here. Yes she was very impressive on the grass, but he tried to get her into the Miss Grillo I think it was but she was an AE, and the condition books at this time of year aren't exactly brimming with 2YO turf allowances and stakes. While this race actually looks like an ok group, her debut was over a wet racetrack against a pretty good field of 2YOs at Saratoga, as well as an open field. She has to be able to run better than that I would think, as well as the fact that she can rate in a race that looks to have a lot of speed. Yeah, she's going to be a good turf horse IMO and a much better grass horse than dirt horse, but he tried to get her in, got stuck on the AE's and looks to be taking a shot for
100K in an NY-bred resticted race. Can't really blame him.
I guess that's a fair point, but this is a wasted spot. This horse is very good on turf. . . he could've shipped out of town.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:54 PM
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Not exactly fair to me to necessarily criticize Kelly here. Yes she was very impressive on the grass, but he tried to get her into the Miss Grillo I think it was but she was an AE, and the condition books at this time of year aren't exactly brimming with 2YO turf allowances and stakes. While this race actually looks like an ok group, her debut was over a wet racetrack against a pretty good field of 2YOs at Saratoga, as well as an open field. She has to be able to run better than that I would think, as well as the fact that she can rate in a race that looks to have a lot of speed. Yeah, she's going to be a good turf horse IMO and a much better grass horse than dirt horse, but he tried to get her in, got stuck on the AE's and looks to be taking a shot for
100K in an NY-bred resticted race. Can't really blame him.
There was a stake at Keeneland last week and an allowance at Keeneland this week she was eligible for. You're right, there aren't a lot a spots, but either of those had to be better than this.
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:26 AM
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I'm betting Great Priveledge in the 5th. Mclaughlin is 7 for 20, with an ROI of $3.70 with horses making the second lifetime start, while trying grass for the first time. He gets off the rail, had a little bit of trouble last time and appeared to resist the dirt in the face. I think he runs much better.
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:28 AM
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I'm betting Great Priveledge in the 5th. Mclaughlin is 7 for 20, with an ROI of $3.70 with horses making the second lifetime start, while trying grass for the first time. He gets off the rail, had a little bit of trouble last time and appeared to resist the dirt in the face. I think he runs much better.
He's a half to Silenced who won his turf debut for Lukas here last year. I absolutely love this horse tomorrow.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:50 PM
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8th (4:43) Iroquois S.
8 R Betty Graybull Marquez C H Jr 124 L
Oh look. Free money.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:31 AM
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What happened in the Straight Story race? Why did Lezcano do this to my horse? He went after him hard. I thought SS ran well. The 4 got the trip of the century and by no means rolled home. SS beats him 9/10 times, today being the 1 where the trip ruins it.
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What happened in the Straight Story race? Why did Lezcano do this to my horse? He went after him hard. I thought SS ran well. The 4 got the trip of the century and by no means rolled home. SS beats him 9/10 times, today being the 1 where the trip ruins it.
Oh, you mean it's only OK when Straight Story gets to gallop on the lead? God forbid he ever gets any pressure, then that's totally mad unfairs! He got beaten, fair and square, Prado could've had him any time he wanted in the stretch.

Unbelievable, a frontrunner finally gets pressured into defeat in a NYRA turf race and someone feels the need to bitch because their 6-5 shot lost.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:39 PM
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Oh, you mean it's only OK when Straight Story gets to gallop on the lead? God forbid he ever gets any pressure, then that's totally mad unfairs! He got beaten, fair and square, Prado could've had him any time he wanted in the stretch.

Unbelievable, a frontrunner finally gets pressured into defeat in a NYRA turf race and someone feels the need to bitch because their 6-5 shot lost.
SS UN was HUGE. He did not have the lead and he ran a bang up race. Things rarley go his way, and he is not some plodder. When things go his way, HE WINS. Colonial last year? One could argue he was best in both of those races.

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Old 10-24-2010, 12:43 AM
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What happened in the Straight Story race? Why did Lezcano do this to my horse? He went after him hard. I thought SS ran well. The 4 got the trip of the century and by no means rolled home. SS beats him 9/10 times, today being the 1 where the trip ruins it.
That was really odd. I can't wait to bet Midnight Billy back off that effort. He tired late as you would expect, but he was still in contention late.

SS ran really well. I'd like to see them target the Manhattan next year.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:30 AM
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If Midnight Billy had shown even an ounce of early speed in any of his previous 12 races it wouldn't have been so curious. But he hadn't, and I can't imagine what Lezcano was thinking, other than trying to get Straight Story beaten.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:39 PM
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That was really odd. I can't wait to bet Midnight Billy back off that effort. He tired late as you would expect, but he was still in contention late.

SS ran really well. I'd like to see them target the Manhattan next year.
I agree with everything, other then betting MB back. I dont think he is much horse.
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