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Old 12-03-2010, 01:41 PM
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Default Pioneer of the Nile misses the top 20....

But Zenyatta is the 18th greatest horse of all-time. Who knew?

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This is my all-time Top 10 list:

1. Man o’ War
2. Secretariat
3. Citation
4. Kelso
5. Spectacular Bid
6. Dr. Fager
7. Native Dancer
8. Seattle Slew
9. Count Fleet
10. Forego
11. Affirmed
12. Swaps
13. Tom Fool
14. Buckpasser
15. Round Table
16. Ruffian
17. Colin
18. Zenyatta
19. Seabiscuit
20. War Admiral
Luckily he didn't make a 'top 1,200 horses of all-time' list ... so there will be no Blame checking in at #1,193.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:48 PM
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The Zenyattards are still going strong I see.

18th best American runner ever. I can probably think of at least 18 fillies in my 25 years of watching racing that would beat Zenyatta at least 50% of the time.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:57 PM
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Just the fact that she is buffeted by Colin and Seabiscuit demonstrates the absurdity.

And War Admiral is behind her... Oh, as well as Bold Ruler, Alydar, Sunday Silence...
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:12 PM
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Just the fact that she is buffeted by Colin and Seabiscuit demonstrates the absurdity.

And War Admiral is behind her... Oh, as well as Bold Ruler, Alydar, Sunday Silence...
Just imagine if Shirreffs had got brave and daring and ran Zenyatta in races like the Hollywood Gold Cup against the legendary winner Awesome Gem. Or the Pacific Classic against the legendary winner Richard's Kid.

Such victories - instead of narrow ones over Rinterval and St. Trinians - would have surely had to catapult her into the top five of all-time.

However, Shirreffs is a very patient man - and didn't want to risk having Zenyatta extend herself too much until the big day. It's all about the one big day a year and the win/loss record.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:15 PM
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:13 PM
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Just the fact that she is buffeted by Colin and Seabiscuit demonstrates the absurdity.

And War Admiral is behind her... Oh, as well as Bold Ruler, Alydar, Sunday Silence...
sigh.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:04 PM
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The Zenyattards are still going strong I see.

18th best American runner ever. I can probably think of at least 18 fillies in my 25 years of watching racing that would beat Zenyatta at least 50% of the time.
How soon we forget her great heroics over true champions like Anbaa's Creations and Brownie Points.

Zenyatta probably would have beat dominant So. Cal division leader Nashoba's Key if Shirreffs didn't scratch her. Zenyatta probably would have beat the mighty Miss Isella over a sloppy track at Churchill if Shirreffs didn't scratch her.

Zenyatta probably would have won the Breeders Cup Juvenile at two if Shirreffs wasn't so patient. Zenyatta probably would have been a great 3-year-old filly ... if only she didn't miss all the action.

Obviously Zenyatta deserves to be rated ahead of recent horses like Skip Away, Cigar, and Ghostzapper ... those horses couldn't touch her... especially at the distance of 8.5 furlongs where she's known to light up the sundials you time her with.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:16 PM
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I don't believe into all this because I've been watching racing for 20 years and haven't seen any of the horses run Live or on TV remote. Even on the 20of the 20th century Of All Time I've only seen Cigar and Zenny. So how am I to know anything about horses racing in the 60's and 70's. That's wrong with racing because every article talks about how much better the past is better than the present and future. Makes me sick.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:23 PM
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Even on the 20of the 20th century Of All Time I've only seen Cigar and Zenny.
He didn't put Cigar on his top 20 list.

Basically, Jon White thinks that Zenyatta is the best horse - male or female - that we've seen since Spectacular Bid.

Spectacular Bid is the 2nd to youngest horse on that list of his... and he last raced over 30 years ago.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:24 PM
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He didn't put Cigar on his top 20 list.

Basically, Jon White thinks that Zenyatta is the best horse - male or female - that we've seen since Spectacular Bid.

Spectacular Bid is the 2nd to youngest horse on that list of his... and he last raced over 30 years ago.
And Bid is placed wrong as well but forget that.
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:26 PM
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I thought Cigar made it. Dam now the list is even worse than I thought. I hate this BS Best of List. Could the teams of the 30's beat today world Series winners? Are they the Best of All Time. At least in other Sports teams make the All Time list that even a 10 yearold could say he saw them play. I'm not saying all of the old timer's couldn't run but come on not a one since the Late 70's early 80's. Hell that's over 30 years ago.
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