Healthcare repeal fails

[Riot]

Healthcare repeal vote fails in Senate.

Okay, Republicans - you had your little time-wasting, dog and pony theatre indulgence. Time to leave 2010 behind, and step into 2011. Don't even utter the word "health care" until after the Supremes weigh in, or unless you have any amendments to make the law better.

Now is the time to step up if you have anything to offer us regarding jobs and the economy. Remember, the reason you were elected?

All you've done so far is to introduce HR 3, a bill trying to change abortion rights, and lessen the definition of rape as an insult to all women.

It's nice you revert to fighting culture wars (it is what you know best) but you said you'd fix the economy and create jobs. Please, go ahead!

[dellinger63]

You think republicans want to repeal obamacare because of some hate we/they have?

Repealing obamacare has everything to do with both preserving good healthcare and the economy and you're right that's why they were elected.

[trackrat59]

Who cares what Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson, and Diana Ross think?

[Riot]

You think republicans want to repeal obamacare because of some hate we/they have?

No. Why do you ask?

Repealing obamacare has everything to do with both preserving good healthcare and the economy and you're right that's why they were elected.

That's a view - but a minority one. Especially thinking it will worsen healthcare (that made me laugh). The bill is the law of the land. Has been for months. Public support for keeping it, or making it stronger, is the majority now that people realize "death panels" were a lie (Jan 17 2011 AP-GfK poll) It's already helped people. It's prevented sick children from rescission. It's gotten young people back insured on their parents insurance. It's already started to close the donut hole for some seniors, and decreased their drug costs for generics by 50%. It extends the Medicare Trust Fund by 12 years.

It will never be repealed. Why should it be? If there's something in there that isn't liked (like the 1099 provision) amend it.

The people have spoken. They didn't choose the Republican view. The GOP needs to get over it, and start working on jobs and the economy (but instead the first thing they do is change the definition of rape to the detriment of women!?)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Why do you ask?



That's a view - but a minority one. Especially thinking it will worsen healthcare (that made me laugh)

Some people like the post office thinking they are getting a deal and some pay extra to use FedEX for both its quickness and reliability. To somehow put a surcharge on the FedEx customers to give vouchers to Post Office customers to use FedEx makes about as much sense as Obamacare. Maybe the USPO drivers could tell FedEx how to work safer and be more efficient but I doubt it. LMAO

If Dems are so keen and sure of how their plan is going to work leave those who want nothing to do with it to opt out including their wallets and you show them!.

Simple RIOT, you and other supporters show us how somehow Obamacare will work. Let's try it for say 20 years.

[Riot]

If Dems are so keen and sure of how their plan is going to work leave those who want nothing to do with it to opt out including their wallets and you show them!.

What do you mean, "opt out"? Of what? There is nothing in the law that makes you pay anything, or purchase anything. You have insurance now? Good for you! That won't change. There's nothing for you to "opt out" of. You want nothing to do with it? Guess what, you're there right now!

Simple RIOT, you and other supporters show us how somehow Obamacare will work. Let's try it for say 20 years.

I think the first thing about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is that people have a responsibility to learn what's in it, and what is not.

Edit: Oh, wait, I did think of two things you can choose to opt out of, Dell: you can call your insurance company, and tell them that you opt out of the "Obamacare" mandate (2014) that they cannot put a lifetime cap on your payouts (you choose to have the insurance company limit your lifetime payouts); and you want to opt out of their ability to rescind your policy at their will (you choose to let them do that).

[Princess Doreen]

Those Democrat senators are more afraid of Harry Reid than they are of their constituents.

Onward and upward to the Supreme Court.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you mean, "opt out"? Of what?

1)Having the government participate in anything to do with my healthcare whether it be administration or treatment democratic controlled or republican.

2)Financing the so-called vouchers, you seem to think will be made out of thin air. This is socialized medicine no matter how it's cooked and I hate the thought of even trying the dish.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Healthcare repeal vote fails in Senate.

Okay, Republicans - you had your little time-wasting, dog and pony theatre indulgence. Time to leave 2010 behind, and step into 2011. Don't even utter the word "health care" until after the Supremes weigh in, or unless you have any amendments to make the law better.

Now is the time to step up if you have anything to offer us regarding jobs and the economy. Remember, the reason you were elected?

All you've done so far is to introduce HR 3, a bill trying to change abortion rights, and lessen the definition of rape as an insult to all women.

It's nice you revert to fighting culture wars (it is what you know best) but you said you'd fix the economy and create jobs. Please, go ahead!

What do you think will happen to Obamacare if hopefully a Republican is voted for Pres in 2012? Your trying to tell us that Obama is doing a good job creating jobs and fixing the economy? Are you trying to make me laugh?

[joeydb]

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The Democrats passed this law last year along party lines. Not one Republican voted for it.

Many Democrats who voted for it got creamed at the polls. Fortunately for them, there weren't that many Democrats up for re-election in the Senate due to the Class I, II, and III system that splits up the 6 year terms to 1/3 up for vote every 2 years.

2012 is a different story. And now, when given the opportunity to undo this horrible law, the Democrats again were the only party opposing appeal. They had to do it, because if not, the repeal motion goes to the president's desk, where he can't just "vote present". He'd need to act, and by denying repeal he will once again affirm "Hey, 70% of the citizens hate this law, but tough sh*t... we're maintaining government control of your healthcare". Not a good thing for him.

The Senate Democrats transparently allowed many of their endangered members to symbolically vote for the appeal, since they were sure they'd defeat it. But again, the party reaffirmed their dedication to taking over the lives of American citizens while exempting themselves and the unions through waivers. It's a long time from now, but 2012 will be another red tidal wave if they don't smarten up, and fast.

Even though the outright repeal has stalled, the House can still de-fund the bill totally, while the court action continues on the unconstitutional law, so that the Senate Democrats may well find that they took a stand in this case for nothing. Think Custer at Little Big Horn...

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The Democrats passed this law last year along party lines. Not one Republican voted for it.

Many Democrats who voted for it got creamed at the polls. Fortunately for them, there weren't that many Democrats up for re-election in the Senate due to the Class I, II, and III system that splits up the 6 year terms to 1/3 up for vote every 2 years.

2012 is a different story. And now, when given the opportunity to undo this horrible law, the Democrats again were the only party opposing appeal. They had to do it, because if not, the repeal motion goes to the president's desk, where he can't just "vote present". He'd need to act, and by denying repeal he will once again affirm "Hey, 70% of the citizens hate this law, but tough sh*t... we're maintaining government control of your healthcare". Not a good thing for him.

The Senate Democrats transparently allowed many of their endangered members to symbolically vote for the appeal, since they were sure they'd defeat it. But again, the party reaffirmed their dedication to taking over the lives of American citizens while exempting themselves and the unions through waivers. It's a long time from now, but 2012 will be another red tidal wave if they don't smarten up, and fast.

Even though the outright repeal has stalled, the House can still de-fund the bill totally, while the court action continues on the unconstitutional law, so that the Senate Democrats may well find that they took a stand in this case for nothing. Think Custer at Little Big Horn...

The Democrats up for re-election in 2012 are depending on short term memory of the American voters.

We'll see.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

The Democrats up for re-election in 2012 are depending on short term memory of the American voters.

We'll see.

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

If the economy stays exactly the same I think the Dems will still win in a landslide, the way the Republicans and "Tea Party" candidates are starting out in the Congress. People are already getting really mad at them for blockage and inaction on the jobs and economy front, they are starting to get it from both the left and the right.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

Good possibility that could happen.