All time best horses

somerfrost · #1 02-04-2011, 01:27 PM

Those who know me are aware that I maintain an "all time best top 100" list just to maintain some knowledge of the sport and it's history. Obviously this is a highly subjective undertaking and just one old railbird's opinion. Not to overly bore folks, here is my updated top 20:
(1) Secretariat (1970)...simply the best
(2) Kincsem (1874)...towers above others of her generation
(3) Ribot (1952)...record speaks for itself
(4) Man O War (1917)...wish they hadn't ducked Exterminator
(5) Citation (1945)...defines "Warhorse"
(6) Sea Bird (1962)...Arc wonder
(7) Flying Childers (1715)...first great one
(8) Spectacular Bid (1976)...should have won TC
(9) Count Fleet (1940)...vastly underrated
(10) Native Dancer (1950)...great sire but don't forget races
(11) Zenyatta (2004)...either love her or not
(12) Eclipse (1764)...father of modern day horses
(13) St Simon (1881)
(14) Kelso (1957)
(15) Ruffian ((1972)
(16) War Admiral (1934)
(17) Seattle Slew (1974)
(18) Affirmed (1975)
(19) Colin (1905)
(20) Exterminator (1915)

randallscott35 · #2 02-04-2011, 01:40 PM

Face Palm just based on where you have Bid alone.

somerfrost · #3 02-04-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Face Palm just based on where you have Bid alone.

As I said...Just one guy's opinion.

FATPIANO · #4 02-04-2011, 01:58 PM

The Bid at 8???????????? what r u drinking? opinions are fine, but basic knowledge of racing puts him in top 5. IMO he is number 1

somerfrost · #5 02-04-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO

The Bid at 8???????????? what r u drinking? opinions are fine, but basic knowledge of racing puts him in top 5. IMO he is number 1

As I said, it's easy to be critical...very few folks rate the Bid that high but your opinion is as good as mine. Don't question my knowledge of racing history simply because I disagree with you. The Bid had a wonderful 4yo season and finished 30/26-2-1. Obviously a great horse but same can be said for the 7 I rate above him.

robfla · #6 02-04-2011, 02:38 PM

I just don't know how you can rate a horse #2 that raced predominately in Hungary and Austria in the late 1800's. Sure, she was undefeated, but lots of walkovers and weak competition.

Antitrust32 · #7 02-04-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Those who know me are aware that I maintain an "all time best top 100" list just to maintain some knowledge of the sport and it's history. Obviously this is a highly subjective undertaking and just one old railbird's opinion. Not to overly bore folks, here is my updated top 20:
(1) Secretariat (1970)...simply the best
(2) Kincsem (1874)...towers above others of her generation
(3) Ribot (1952)...record speaks for itself
(4) Man O War (1917)...wish they hadn't ducked Exterminator
(5) Citation (1945)...defines "Warhorse"
(6) Sea Bird (1962)...Arc wonder
(7) Flying Childers (1715)...first great one
(8) Spectacular Bid (1976)...should have won TC
(9) Count Fleet (1940)...vastly underrated
(10) Native Dancer (1950)...great sire but don't forget races
(11) Zenyatta (2004)...either love her or not
(12) Eclipse (1764)...father of modern day horses
(13) St Simon (1881)
(14) Kelso (1957)
(15) Ruffian ((1972)
(16) War Admiral (1934)
(17) Seattle Slew (1974)
(18) Affirmed (1975)
(19) Colin (1905)
(20) Exterminator (1915)

this list is pure garbage. Please keep pumping money into pari-mutuel pools.

Antitrust32 · #8 02-04-2011, 04:18 PM

You left off Peppers Pride and Hallowed Dreams.

somerfrost · #9 02-04-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this list is pure garbage. Please keep pumping money into pari-mutuel pools.

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

Antitrust32 · #10 02-04-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

I just hope you didnt spend too much effort on this this list.

Zenyatta at 11 basically defends all opinions.

She is the only horse on that list born after 1976, yet you could probably make a list of 100 horses since then 1976 that were better than her. Including Blame, who just beat her a couple months ago.

Zenyatta is better than Easy Goer? Cigar? Ghostzapper? Point Given?

How about just the females since 1976. Go For Wand and Open Mind would have eaten her for lunch. Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Winning Colors, Genuine Risk, Silverbulletday, Life's Magic, Heavenly Prize, Serena's Song, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Azeri....

I wont include Rachel for obvious reasons but the female horses I listed above were just as good or better than Zenyatta since 1976.

Now just think if I listed male horses.

somerfrost · #11 02-04-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I just hope you didnt spend too much effort on this this list.

Zenyatta at 11 basically defends all opinions.

She is the only horse on that list born after 1976, yet you could probably make a list of 100 horses since then 1976 that were better than her. Including Blame, who just beat her a couple months ago.

Zenyatta is better than Easy Goer? Cigar? Ghostzapper? Point Given?

How about just the females since 1976. Go For Wand and Open Mind would have eaten her for lunch. Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Winning Colors, Genuine Risk, Silverbulletday, Life's Magic, Heavenly Prize, Serena's Song, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Azeri....

I wont include Rachel for obvious reasons but the female horses I listed above were just as good or better than Zenyatta since 1976.

Now just think if I listed male horses.

Much better post...I obviously disagree but at least you named names. Since 1976, I have I have 16 horses included in my top 100, some of which you named (Cigar, Point Given, Lady's Secret, Personal Ensign). But it's hard to include others you named against the likes of those on my list. Again, just my opinion but my research has determined that I prefer them to others.

Dahoss · #12 02-04-2011, 05:33 PM

Where is Holy Bull on your list?

RockHardTen1985 · #13 02-04-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I just hope you didnt spend too much effort on this this list.

Zenyatta at 11 basically defends all opinions.

She is the only horse on that list born after 1976, yet you could probably make a list of 100 horses since then 1976 that were better than her. Including Blame, who just beat her a couple months ago.

Zenyatta is better than Easy Goer? Cigar? Ghostzapper? Point Given?

How about just the females since 1976. Go For Wand and Open Mind would have eaten her for lunch. Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Winning Colors, Genuine Risk, Silverbulletday, Life's Magic, Heavenly Prize, Serena's Song, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Azeri....

I wont include Rachel for obvious reasons but the female horses I listed above were just as good or better than Zenyatta since 1976.

Now just think if I listed male horses.

I have a really hard time ranking Z and Im one of her biggest fans, literally biggest. Just talking recent horses, Im not sure Z could have beat Point Given, Bernardini, Ghostzapper, Candy Ride, Congaree, Eskendereya and even Comentator when he was really good.

Cannon Shell · #14 02-04-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have a really hard time ranking Z and Im one of her biggest fans, literally biggest. Just talking recent horses, Im not sure Z could have beat Point Given, Bernardini, Ghostzapper, Candy Ride, Congaree, Eskendereya and even Comentator when he was really good.

She may have handled Eskendereya and I have him ranked 426th. At their best she doesnt get close to any of the others.

Rudeboyelvis · #15 02-04-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have a really hard time ranking Z and Im one of her biggest fans, literally biggest.

Oh
My
God

You realize what you literally just said here, right? Literally?

Sorry mersa, new sig line.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 02-04-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

You'd have a better shot of defending Ted Bundy than that list.

somerfrost · #17 02-04-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You'd have a better shot of defending Ted Bundy than that list.

I can defend the list pretty easily, whether you choose to accept my positions is another matter. As I stated in my original post...ranking horses is a subjective venture whether for HOY or all time.

somerfrost · #18 02-07-2011, 07:36 PM

Got so much love from part one, I figured might as well post part 2:
(21) Dr Fager (1964)
(22) Seabiscuit (1933)
(23) Buckpasser (1963)
(24) Forego (1970)
(25) Cigar (1990)
(26) Risen Star (1985)
(27) Personal Ensign (1984)
(28) John Henry (1975)
(29) Gallant Fox (1927)
(30) Brigadier Gerard (1968)
(31) Round Table (1954)
(32) Pot8o's (1773)
(33) Phar Lap (19260
(34) Tiznow (1997)
(35) Whirlaway (1938)
(36) Hyperion (1930)
(37) Ormonde (1883)
(38) Nijinsky (1967)
(39) Gladiateur (1862)
(40) Sham (1970)

my miss storm cat · #19 02-07-2011, 08:26 PM

There are 1,608 Nerdy Trailers of which 907 are considered active.

Can you imagine if everyone did not one but two lists?

Just sayin...

AeWingnut · #20 02-07-2011, 08:30 PM

#1 Zenyatta

#2 Awad

#3 Silky Sullivan