Horse with two sires listed in his form

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I was going over some past performances of triple crown races from the old days and found a very interesting horse in the 1911 Preakness.



The 3-year-old black gelding was listed as being sired by either Hamburg or Sandringham. Hamburg was a great sire - Sandringham was described as "a great roaring brute" and supposedly was a big flop at stud. I can't say I've ever seen a horse with two sires listed before.

It would have been cool had he won the Preakness - but The Nigg.er had an unfortunate habit of hanging .. he was in contention and finished 3rd that day.

Another odd thing - I never even realized they had a horse track in Jacksonville Florida. I guess in 1911 they did. It's not listed in the track abreviations in the book "Champions" - so no champions ever ran there anyway.

After running 3rd in the Preakness in 1911 - this horse later won the Toronto Cup at 10fs in track record time and was called "one of the best horses to ever race in Canada" by the racing press. To the best of my knowledge - no stakes race was ever named to honor this most unique horse. Perhaps if horse racing ever returns to Jacksonville Florida ... that might change.

[randallscott35]

Not very PC in 1911

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was going over some past performances of triple crown races from the old days and found a very interesting horse in the 1911 Preakness.



The 3-year-old black gelding was listed as being sired by either Hamburg or Sandringham. Hamburg was a great sire - Sandringham was described as "a great roaring brute" and supposedly was a big flop at stud. I can't say I've ever seen a horse with two sires listed before.

It would have been cool had he won the Preakness - but The Nigg.er had an unfortunate habit of hanging .. he was in contention and finished 3rd that day.

Another odd thing - I never even realized they had a horse track in Jacksonville Florida. I guess in 1911 they did. It's not listed in the track abreviations in the book "Champions" - so no champions ever ran there anyway.

After running 3rd in the Preakness in 1911 - this horse later won the Toronto Cup at 10fs in track record time and was called "one of the best horses to ever race in Canada" by the racing press. To the best of my knowledge - no stakes race was ever named to honor this most unique horse. Perhaps if horse racing ever returns to Jacksonville Florida ... that might change.

You see mares with 2 possible covers. I think Madcap Escapade or a sibling of hers went through the ring the first time with 2 different sires listed as covering sires.

[dellinger63]

wow... so glad to see he was a success.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You see mares with 2 possible covers. I think Madcap Escapade or a sibling of hers went through the ring the first time with 2 different sires listed as covering sires.

Does this mean they aren't sure who the sire of the soon to be foal is?

I once saw a horse's past performances where the sire was listed as "Unknown sire" - in that instance the horses mare turned up pregnant unexpectedly and they kept the foal - and it happened to race and I believe win a few times.

Never seen two sires listed in a form before though.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Does this mean they aren't sure who the sire of the soon to be foal is?

I once saw a horse's past performances where the sire was listed as "Unknown sire" - in that instance the horses mare turned up pregnant unexpectedly and they kept the foal - and it happened to race and I believe win a few times.

Never seen two sires listed in a form before though.

Now they have better testing so they know who the sire is when the foal is born.

There is an old book about Hamburg Place that was stolen from me that was pretty interesting. Seeing Hamburg's name reminds me of how mad I am about that!

[randallscott35]

What a slut this mare was. Jeez

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

There is an old book about Hamburg Place that was stolen from me that was pretty interesting. Seeing Hamburg's name reminds me of how mad I am about that!

Wow, who steals books from people? ... I mean other than me of course. I thought I had the market cornered on that.

I did a little searching and just found a horse from the late 40's ....



The winner of his most recent race was named 'Dry' (probably a Claiborne horse)

Imagine what the race call might have sounded like if Blow Me held on to defeat Dry instead of fading to 7th.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Wow, who steals books from people? ... I mean other than me of course. I thought I had the market cornered on that.

I did a little searching and just found a horse from the late 40's ....



The winner of his most recent race was named 'Dry' (probably a Claiborne horse)

Imagine what the race call might have sounded like if Blow Me held on to defeat Dry instead of fading to 7th.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Wow, who steals books from people? ... I mean other than me of course. I thought I had the market cornered on that.

I did a little searching and just found a horse from the late 40's ....



The winner of his most recent race was named 'Dry' (probably a Claiborne horse)

Imagine what the race call might have sounded like if Blow Me held on to defeat Dry instead of fading to 7th.

How about Blow Me being neck and neck in a race with the previous mentioned horse coming down the stretch.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Does this mean they aren't sure who the sire of the soon to be foal is?

I once saw a horse's past performances where the sire was listed as "Unknown sire" - in that instance the horses mare turned up pregnant unexpectedly and they kept the foal - and it happened to race and I believe win a few times.

Never seen two sires listed in a form before though.

It was not uncommon back in the day, but today, even if a mare if covered by 2 stallions in a season, DNA testing proves paternity.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's another interesting one I just caught...

Blow Me is the sire - and Marriage Vow is the dam.



In case anyone is wondering - Steve Leo, Jr. (the horse) rose from maiden claiming ranks to become a solid stakes winning horse who earned almost 100K in the mid 60's. The moral of the story seems to be that if you give a horse a really foul name ... good things will probably happen.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here's another interesting one I just caught...

Blow Me is the sire - and Marriage Vow is the dam.



I guess the horse was named Khakomon Leo at first (so say his past peformances anyway - that is weird for a first time starter) ... but the horse ended up racing under the name Steve Leo, Jr.

In case anyone is wondering - Steve Leo, Jr. (the horse) rose from maiden claiming ranks to become a solid stakes winning horse who earned almost 100K in the mid 60's. The moral of the story seems to be that if you give a horse a really foul name ... good things will probably happen.

Slam Bang is kind of dirty too. What kind of closet perverts owned horses back in the day?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was going over some past performances of triple crown races from the old days and found a very interesting horse in the 1911 Preakness.



The 3-year-old black gelding was listed as being sired by either Hamburg or Sandringham. Hamburg was a great sire - Sandringham was described as "a great roaring brute" and supposedly was a big flop at stud. I can't say I've ever seen a horse with two sires listed before.

It would have been cool had he won the Preakness - but The Nigg.er had an unfortunate habit of hanging .. he was in contention and finished 3rd that day.

Another odd thing - I never even realized they had a horse track in Jacksonville Florida. I guess in 1911 they did. It's not listed in the track abreviations in the book "Champions" - so no champions ever ran there anyway.

After running 3rd in the Preakness in 1911 - this horse later won the Toronto Cup at 10fs in track record time and was called "one of the best horses to ever race in Canada" by the racing press. To the best of my knowledge - no stakes race was ever named to honor this most unique horse. Perhaps if horse racing ever returns to Jacksonville Florida ... that might change.

well, now doug that's one hell of a way to put together a sentence....i can't believe they allowed that name, even back then. holy crap.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was going over some past performances of triple crown races from the old days and found a very interesting horse in the 1911 Preakness.



The 3-year-old black gelding was listed as being sired by either Hamburg or Sandringham. Hamburg was a great sire - Sandringham was described as "a great roaring brute" and supposedly was a big flop at stud. I can't say I've ever seen a horse with two sires listed before.

It would have been cool had he won the Preakness - but The Nigg.er had an unfortunate habit of hanging .. he was in contention and finished 3rd that day.

Another odd thing - I never even realized they had a horse track in Jacksonville Florida. I guess in 1911 they did. It's not listed in the track abreviations in the book "Champions" - so no champions ever ran there anyway.

After running 3rd in the Preakness in 1911 - this horse later won the Toronto Cup at 10fs in track record time and was called "one of the best horses to ever race in Canada" by the racing press. To the best of my knowledge - no stakes race was ever named to honor this most unique horse. Perhaps if horse racing ever returns to Jacksonville Florida ... that might change.

Jacksonville was horse racing from 1909 to 1911:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/st..._2b1Foley.html

more details:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/sxh36/horseracing.pdf

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[Echo Farm]

Originally Posted by golfer

Jacksonville was horse racing from 1909 to 1911:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/st..._2b1Foley.html

more details:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/sxh36/horseracing.pdf

Interesting stuff. I've lived south of Jax for 55 years and didn't know that.
Not much on the web about the track.
I did find a reference that Sherrill Ward, Forego's trainer was born near the track in 1911. (Legends book on Forego, page 41)
and a postcard:



a bit more history: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/art...f-jacksonville