radicalized muslim hearing

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41933142/ns/us_news/

NEW YORK — A coalition of over 100 interfaith, nonprofit and governmental organizations planned to rally in New York City against a planned congressional hearing on Muslims' role in homegrown terrorism.

The coalition said that Thursday's hearing will send the wrong message to U.S. Muslims by "demonizing" them.

further down:

U.S. Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, told CNN's "State of the Union" that he sees an international movement with elements in the U.S. of Muslims becoming more radical and identifying with terrorists.

A Minnesota Democrat, Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House, said that while it's proper to investigate radicalization, it is wrong to single out a religious minority.


now, that's what i don't get. what other religions should we be investigating? that comment makes no sense to me at all. are all muslims 'bad'. of course not. but any that are radicalized, who are using a bastardized form of their religion to instigate terrorism, obviously should be investigated. i don't believe we should group any and all muslims together, but i can certainly understand having this hearing.

They are going to keep line-stepping and pushing the envelope. Let them. Then the politically correct will be brushed to the side and the extreme measure will be taken. They will be taught a lesson. Right now they are the disruptive student in class taking advantage of the teacher shackled by unfair rules. Those tables can turn in an instant.

[somerfrost]

I think the topic of the investigation is indeed proper, while I understand concerns of the Muslim community, the world is as it is....radical Islam is a clear and present danger and followers simply cannot be allowed to hide.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think the topic of the investigation is indeed proper, while I understand concerns of the Muslim community, the world is as it is....radical Islam is a clear and present danger and followers simply cannot be allowed to hide.

Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.

Of course not...but you can't easily separate religion from those who bastardize it for their purposes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Of course not...but you can't easily separate religion from those who bastardize it for their purposes.

Well ... one group is a couple hundred violent, threatening political terrorists hiding out in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan.

The other are a few billion peaceful, normal, average people, including millions of your fellow Americans.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Of course not...but you can't easily separate religion from those who bastardize it for their purposes.

We could round up every Muslim, and lock them up in safe camps. We can let them out when the fear of terrorism has passed, or as each one proves they are true Americans.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.

investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

Absolutely...we can't ignore clear and present dangers to avoid upsetting folks...hell, my religion has been demonized for centuries and I don't cry every time a witch is depicted riding a broomstick or casting an evil spell!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

are you or have you ever been a member of the communist party?

witch hunts are witch hunts danzig. they're always an all-or-nothing thing. only those advocating the violent overthrow of our democratic system had anything to fear from joe mccarthy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

I don't understand: who specifically are we to be investigating?

I mean, the FBI, CIA and our counterterrorism folks have had a profile of susceptible people (susceptible to radical terroristic conversions of any stripe, both religious or not) for some years.

I really fail to see what public hearings on "Muslims" is going to do, especially looking at King's guest list. What knowledge are we to gain? We'll see.