Obamacare a glimpse in the future

[dellinger63]

I'm perfectly happy where we are at!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...WyejLq7dTjTs2J

[Duvalier]

Wtf dude go find a hobby already

[Nascar1966]

My hope for Obamacare is that he fails to get re-elected in 2012. A Republican becomes President and they also control both the Senate and House. This way this crappy bill that was shoved on the American public by Obama, Reid, and Pelosi gets repealed. None of those three imbeciles will be using using this health care. Glad me and my family won't have to use it either.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

None of those three imbeciles will be using using this health care. Glad me and my family won't have to use it either.

So you're just against your fellow Americans being able to finally afford to purchase health insurance themselves, so you and I can stop paying for their health care.

You're a rocket scientist.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you're just against your fellow Americans being able to finally afford to purchase health insurance themselves, so you and I can stop paying for their health care.

You're a rocket scientist.

Did I say that c? Keep on saying something that didn't say. As Duvalier said STFU. I have nothing against people paying for health care. I don't want people to get a free ride. Go back to your make believe world.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you're just against your fellow Americans being able to finally afford to purchase health insurance themselves, so you and I can stop paying for their health care.

You're a rocket scientist.

You do understand that every time the government subsidizes something that the taxpayer is getting soaked, right? The government needs to get entirely out of the way on health care. Not meddling at all. Let the market adjust, expand the providers by making it more palatable for doctors to practice, and the costs will go down.

It's the non-paying deadbeats that are causing health care costs to skyrocket in the first place. That's why a 68 cent aspirin costs $10 in the hospital.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

You do understand that every time the government subsidizes something that the taxpayer is getting soaked, right? The government needs to get entirely out of the way on health care. Not meddling at all. Let the market adjust, expand the providers by making it more palatable for doctors to practice, and the costs will go down.

It's the non-paying deadbeats that are causing health care costs to skyrocket in the first place. That's why a 68 cent aspirin costs $10 in the hospital.

If you want to promote a society where if you can't pay then you don't get treated, then so be it, but I hope that never happens. There are a lot of legitimate discussions you can have on funding and whether the haves should be supporting the have nots, but as a human being I don't know how you could turn your head to someone in need, regardless of their ability to pay. Of course there are abusers and there are parts of the health care system that are corrupt and rotten, but I don't know how the supposed leading country in the World can have health care based on an ability to pay.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

You do understand that every time the government subsidizes something that the taxpayer is getting soaked, right?

That's a nice talking point, but let's talk facts. Right now we are paying for the healthcare of 40 million people. The PPACA changes that, so they pay for the majority of their own health care, and we are left paying only for the health care of 10 million people.

That's a good thing. A very good thing, especially from your worry about taxpayers being soaked. Why are you against the taxpayer's being less "soaked"? That makes no sense.

It's the non-paying deadbeats that are causing health care costs to skyrocket in the first place. That's why a 68 cent aspirin costs $10 in the hospital.

Yes. But don't forget record profit-taking by insurance companies, who break their contracts and rescind payment on people that have been paying their health insurance for years, which the insurance company takes away when they finally need it. Or insurance companies that refuse to pay for sick children over their lifetime. Insurance companies that agree to insure a population, who pays their premiums, but then figure out a myriad of reasons not to hold up their end of the bargain and pay out when their clients get sick.

That's precisely what the PPACA tries to address. You'll note it also has provisions in it to help decrease prescription costs. So your opposition to it makes little sense to me - it seems to address all your primary concerns.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Wtf dude go find a hobby already

I guess you voted for Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I guess you voted for Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012.

STFU Nascar