Biggest "Class" edge ever in an entry-level ALW race?

[Calzone Lord]

Believe it or not - this horse below qualified for an N1X ALW race at PID on Saturday (The winning Beyer Par for PID N1X's Alw races is 80 - the purse is $41,000)





Future Prospect - winner of 11 prior races including a state bred Saratoga stakes race - once favored over Haynesfield in a 250K stake - and a last out winner of a major circuit Opt Claimer...

And he's an entry-level alw horse at PID because all state bred wins are excluded - as are all OPT Claiming wins so long as you went in for the tag.

Never in my life have I seen an established horse with such a giant speed figure edge before. His last 3 figure TOWERED over everyone. 10 of his last 12 figures towered over everyone. Typical half-assed job making him 3/1 on the morning line. He paid $3.40, $2.80, and $2.60 and I would have expected $2.20, $2.10, and $2.10


Believe it or not .... this is what the 4-to-1 second choice in the betting looked like:



He was 3rd in a $7,500 N4L at 8/1 odds three starts back.

[philcski]

Future Prospect was a real nice NYB a few years ago. Good read of the condition book by the trainer to get him in for the easy purse.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by philcski

Good read of the condition book by the trainer to get him in for the easy purse.

Yeah - if they gave an Eclipse Award for sharpest placement of a horse this season - his trainer would probably win it.

41K for a race you have to fall down to lose - with no risk of getting claimed... with a horse who had been running for a tag.

The Millionaire Naughty NewYorker is an N2X at PID. He's one Red Smith away from still having his entry level ALW condition. It would be AWESOME to see a millionaire with a dozen wins in an N1X.

A horse could sweep the Canadian Triple Crown - and still have its N1X here.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yeah - if they gave an Eclipse Award for sharpest placement of a horse this season - his trainer would probably win it.

41K for a race you have to fall down to lose - with no risk of getting claimed... with a horse who had been running for a tag.

The Millionaire Naughty NewYorker is an N2X at PID. He's one Red Smith away from still having his entry level ALW condition. It would be AWESOME to see a millionaire with a dozen wins in an N1X.

A horse could sweep the Canadian Triple Crown - and still have its N1X here.

I bet him in that race, LOL.

The statebred rule applies in almost all jurisdictions, like in NY if a NYB runs through its statebred alw conditions it can still run in an N1X. The question by jurisdiction is whether if in an AOC if entered for the tag and wins it still is eligible for the allowance.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by philcski

The statebred rule applies in almost all jurisdictions, like in NY if a NYB runs through its statebred alw conditions it can still run in an N1X.

I thought it only applied per state to In-State state bred races.

For instance - In NY - could a horse who goes through his Cal Bred conditions - and wins Cal Bred Stakes run in an N1X at Belmont?

Do restricted races like the Sunshine Millions or Queen's Plate count against ALW conditions in places like NY or Cal?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I thought it only applied per state to In-State state bred races.

For instance - In NY - could a horse who goes through his Cal Bred conditions - and wins Cal Bred Stakes run in an N1X at Belmont? Yes. And vice versa. I've seen it with NJ-breds quite a bit in NY in the winter when they're not running (and generally not competitive down south.)

Do restricted races like the Sunshine Millions or Queen's Plate count against ALW conditions in places like NY or Cal? No. Although in the case of the Sunshine Millions almost all the winners have already gone through conditions so it doesn't often apply. I do know that there was that maiden winner of the 3rd leg of the Canadian Triple Crown back entered in an N2X at Saratoga a year later... forgot the name though.

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[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I thought it only applied per state to In-State state bred races.

For instance - In NY - could a horse who goes through his Cal Bred conditions - and wins Cal Bred Stakes run in an N1X at Belmont?

Do restricted races like the Sunshine Millions or Queen's Plate count against ALW conditions in places like NY or Cal?

Non-NY state-bred allowance wins do not count against ALW conditions in New York. For some reason, I believe that restricted stakes wins are treated differently, but not 100% sure.