Gulfstream DQ 12/26 Race 8

[Dahoss]

Anyone else impacted by this today? I'm biased because I bet the horse that was DQ'd but I'm trying to rationalize the DQ and I just can't. The horse that was allegedly interfered with was not cost a placing and the winner was multiple lengths the best.

With all of the talk about trying to attract new bettors and keep the ones we have, it seems like DQ's like this do nothing but deter people from playing our game. I can't blame them.

Steve, not sure if you are planning on having Tim Ritvo on anytime soon, but I'd be interested in hearing him or someone at Gulfstream provide an explanation for this. We're owed as much I think.

[GPK]

You have a link to the replay, Hossy? I can't find it on Gulfstreams youtube channel.

[The Devil]

Andy is pissed!

[Kasept]

Hossy and Andy have plenty to be pissed about. This is the worst kind of objection/decision.. where a horse going nowhere is brushed or sideswiped by an onrushing runner yet is given a placing by the stewards out of the inquiry. Cruz and Saturday Launch -- who were all over the place -- actually jumped out into the path of Argentine Tango ahead of the incident. These are 2yo's in a turf race. There's going to be some hijinks and the stewards do horseplayers no favor interjecting themselves in a result where the contact had no affect on the outcome.

Hoss.. We're off this week, but will have Ritvo on plenty when doing the show from GP in a few weeks. But how much can track management do when the judges react to things in this manner?

[Alan07]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Hossy and Andy have plenty to be pissed about. This is the worst kind of objection/decision.. where a horse going nowhere is brushed or sideswiped by an onrushing runner yet is given a placing by the stewards out of the inquiry. Cruz and Saturday Launch -- who were all over the place -- actually jumped out into the path of Argentine Tango ahead of the incident. These are 2yo's in a turf race. There's going to be some hijinks and the stewards do horseplayers no favor interjecting themselves in a result where the contact had no affect on the outcome.

And the thing is there wasn't an inquiry to begin with! It only got looked at by Cruz's late objection.

Is it me or does there seem to be many objections on a daily basis at GP this year?

Maragh is notorious for riding all over the place.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Hoss.. We're off this week, but will have Ritvo on plenty when doing the show from GP in a few weeks. But how much can track management do when the judges react to things in this manner?

I hear ya. I guess I'm just looking for an explanation from someone at Gulfstream for this kind of stuff. At least with NYRA you get the stewards corner on their website that provides explanations for better or worse.

[blackthroatedwind]

Penalizing bettors in this manner is bad for the game. The game depends on asking people to solve puzzles in order to continue playing the game. When haphazzard calls deprive people from receiving the fruits of their hard work you only discourage people from playing. There was zero justice served by yesterday's call and plenty of unjust punishment.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone else impacted by this today? I'm biased because I bet the horse that was DQ'd but I'm trying to rationalize the DQ and I just can't. The horse that was allegedly interfered with was not cost a placing and the winner was multiple lengths the best.

With all of the talk about trying to attract new bettors and keep the ones we have, it seems like DQ's like this do nothing but deter people from playing our game. I can't blame them.

Steve, not sure if you are planning on having Tim Ritvo on anytime soon, but I'd be interested in hearing him or someone at Gulfstream provide an explanation for this. We're owed as much I think.

Maybe when Vic has a minute he can review the race and tell you how he would have governed the objection. He is a pro

[blackthroatedwind]

So, let me get this straight, a horse was taken down yesterday because its rider has commited fouls, in high profile races no less, in the past....and bettors should ( be real men and ) suck it up?

That makes a lot of sense.

[Indian Charlie]

Hoss and BTW, Mister B is right about one thing. You guys need to move on.

Move on from arguing with someone who is hopelessly wrong.

[herkhorse]

It didn't cost me anything, but I'm still pissed about the Goldikova non take down.

[Danzig]

its a shame that an owner, a trainer and many bettors lost out because of a riders reputation. there has to be a better way to deal with poor riding tactics. if the horse didnt lose a placing due to another jock, what justification can there be for a change in order? saying thats life is no explanation. its in everyones best interest that stewards get it right. there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.

Originally Posted by Danzig

its a shame that an owner, a trainer and many bettors lost out because of a riders reputation. there has to be a better way to deal with poor riding tactics. if the horse didnt lose a placing due to another jock, what justification can there be for a change in order? saying thats life is no explanation. its in everyones best interest that stewards get it right. there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.

Any other sport, an inexperienced athlete gets sent down to the minors to learn the game. There should be some sort of level of competence when riding horses in big circuits.

[The Devil]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.