OUTRAGUS government overreach by FDA!

[Riot]

This is OUTRAGUS! massive government overreach by the Food and Drug Administration, which shouldn't even EXIST and be paid for by my tax dollars !

How DARE THE GOVMENT tell free market cattle men how to raise the meat they sell us. This is OUTRAGUS! Freekin' evironmental and health librul commie freaks poking their heads into MY FOOD.

A federal judge on Thursday ordered U.S. regulators to start proceedings to withdraw approval for the use of common antibiotics in animal feed, citing concerns that overuse is endangering human health by creating antibiotic-resistant "superbugs".

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/468304.../#.T2xuH9n4K1p

[Clip-Clop]

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

What does science matter? they ahave no right to violate the constitutional rights of ranchers, and cost them money. Excessive govrmnt interference! What happened to our rights?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

You don't really think that she is a vet do you?

What vet spends 24/7 in the politics section of horse racing message board?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You don't really think that she is a vet do you?

What vet spends 24/7 in the politics section of horse racing message board?

^^^ The Ad Hominem personal attack: for people who aren't smart enough to debate a subject.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

^^^ The Ad Hominem personal attack: for people who aren't smart enough to debate a subject.

You are completely delusional. You really need to take your meds.

There is no such thing as debating with you, politicunt.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are completely delusional. You really need to take your meds.

There is no such thing as debating with you, politicunt.

Such a brave, big man

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are completely delusional. You really need to take your meds.

There is no such thing as debating with you, politicunt.

Hey - who is paying for those meds? I hope it's not the taxpayer.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pointman

What vet spends 24/7 in the politics section of horse racing message board?

One that has no business?

She is a vet because I know trainers that would NEVER use her!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

One that has no business?

She is a vet because I know trainers that would NEVER use her!

You might reconsider your choice of ignorantly commenting upon my professional qualifications in public by deleting this post.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You might reconsider your choice of ignorantly commenting upon my professional qualifications in public by deleting this post.

I assured the doubters you in fact are a vet.

And admittedly your personality is far more a factor than your professional qualifications.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

This statement smacks of Santorum-esque "In my heart I know this is true" -ism. Please give some sources to back up the assertion that superbugs are solely due to parental overuse of antibiotics on their children.

The use of antibiotics in food animals became necessary as more and more animals were jammed into smaller and smaller areas. If herd immunity worked the way you seem to think it does, factory farm animals should be healthier than free-range animals, not the other way around.

But I look forward to your sources, as I am always interested in learning something new.

"Post your sources...now let me explain my opinion without sources."

F.uckkkk the f.uuuuuck off GenuineCrazyLady.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This statement smacks of Santorum-esque "In my heart I know this is true" -ism. Please give some sources to back up the assertion that superbugs are solely due to parental overuse of antibiotics on their children.

It won't happen. It's a ridiculous statement with zero basis in physiologic reality.

What you pointed out, however, about why antibiotics are used, will necessarily cause changes in the common husbandry of cattle, poultry. This has been an idea whose time should have come decades ago, unfortunately. I'm glad to see it.

In KY, we raise beef cattle on the terrific, dense grass we have, we can have 40 per 100 acres. In western Texas, range cattle need 40 acres or so per cow, so feedlots are used to make it financially viable. That will have to change. That is a plus for regions like KY, TN, and a huge negative for Nebraska, Kansas, Texas where they use corn and silage rather than grass feeding.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

It won't happen. It's a ridiculous statement with zero basis in physiologic reality.

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

you're barking up the wrong tree. people with large egos are never wrong. even though the title says 'outragus' we're just reading it wrong. it's certainly not spelled incorrectly. but when you're an ultra-intelligent scientist, spelling is for mere mortals i guess.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

don't question Riot. She's a scientist.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

No. It's misuse of antibiotics, not overuse. The know-nothing isn't on this side of the keyboard. Small but important technicality the google-experts here fail to comprehend (you might read the articles you post)

You look ridiculous in your ignorance.

And laughably, you say this occurs in humans with a simple stomach, but in the same thread you deny the same can happen in a cow simply because they are a ruminant.

It's clear you don't have any knowledge of pharmacology and physiology other than dinner-table conversation.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This statement smacks of Santorum-esque "In my heart I know this is true" -ism. Please give some sources to back up the assertion that superbugs are solely due to parental overuse of antibiotics on their children.

The use of antibiotics in food animals became necessary as more and more animals were jammed into smaller and smaller areas. If herd immunity worked the way you seem to think it does, factory farm animals should be healthier than free-range animals, not the other way around.

But I look forward to your sources, as I am always interested in learning something new.

The decision that it is cheaper and simpler to treat the herd vs. treating the animal is what has gone wrong in farms. The thought that these treatments would trickle all the way through and have an effect on humans is what I questioned.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antibiotics/FL00075

http://www.marinmedicalsociety.org/m...?articleid=507

My wife is a research biologist in pharmaceuticals and despite the evil that goes along with such a post, this is pretty common knowledge in the research community, along with those that opt out of vaccines. She did her dissertation on this specific problem along with her thesis on the effect on ruminants in particular. I was studying human digestion at the same time in anatomy and was surprised to learn how similar the parts were, hence my interest in what she was up to.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The decision that it is cheaper and simpler to treat the herd vs. treating the animal is what has gone wrong in farms. The thought that these treatments would trickle all the way through and have an effect on humans is what I questioned.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antibiotics/FL00075

http://www.marinmedicalsociety.org/m...?articleid=507

My wife is a research biologist in pharmaceuticals and despite the evil that goes along with such a post, this is pretty common knowledge in the research community, along with those that opt out of vaccines. She did her dissertation on this specific problem along with her thesis on the effect on ruminants in particular. I was studying human digestion at the same time in anatomy and was surprised to learn how similar the parts were, hence my interest in what she was up to.

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it. That's what I was challenging. I don't disagree that overuse and misuse are a problem; I just think the blame falls more on adult misuse, both here and overseas (where there is a real lack of regulation) than on pediatricians and demanding parents. Mind you, I'm a sample size of one, but my toddler's totally awesome doc won't prescribe unless necessary. He just got through a bout with hand foot mouth disease and treatment was Motrin and popsicles.

For what it's worth, misuse in livestock is also considered a cause:

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/0...l-antibiotics/

And it's not just a case of it's in what you consume from the animal; the antibiotics also end up in our soil and water supply because they're excreted in the animal waste and many states don't exactly have strong regulations about the disposal of the massive amounts of waste the factory farms produce.

Thanks also for posting a link to an article on the importance of vaccination. The anti-vax movement seems to be one of the few where one can genuinely say, "both sides do it" as I know both libs and cons who have no problem taking health care advice from a former Playboy Playmate.