"What are conservatives trying to conserve"?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ira-gl...b_1377280.html

"What are conservatives trying to conserve"?

Great article by Ira Glasser. Postulates a good explanation for alot of the hate and anger in current conservative political discourse during and after Obama's election, by going back to the 1950-1960's. References a good article by Jonathan Chait about how demographic changes in the US are rending the conservative movement in a fight for survival via ever-diminishing numbers.

[joeydb]

Freedom!

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Freedom!

You mean the Anti- freedom party, I beg to differ! Conservative want to control what a women does with her body, that's not freedom! They wanna control who we marry, that isn't freedom! They Hate FREEDOM they love POWER, and CONTROL! That is NOT freedom in my book!

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Chait's emphasis on demographic shifts is powerful and mainly on target, but there is a broader historical context to his analysis that complements, extends and better explains the hysteria dominating the current rhetoric of the Republican party. In other words, there is content to all of this.

Most, if not all, political and social retreats from reality and descents into "once there was a golden age" fundamentalist fervor are the result of a panic reaction to fundamental change and a resistance to modernity that cannot be assimilated or accepted, and that so unsettles the ground rules by which they live and have always lived that they lash out at the changes, or what they see as the symbols of those changes, in a desperate, if ultimately futile attempt to hold back the sea.

This is what characterized the wave of fundamentalist politics in the 1920s in America, when the advancements of science (as especially symbolized by evolution) so threatened the world as many people knew it, that they arose in a wave of repressive reaction to try and block it.

This was also the period in which the world turned upside down when women won the right to vote (1920); it was the period when labor unions became strong and challenged the prevailing distributions of economic power; it was the period when the NAACP was created (1909) and the ACLU (1920). This is the period when Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood (connection to the present intended), was arrested every other day on the streets of New York for distributing informational leaflets and pamphlets on birth control; this was the period when the late 19th-century Comstock laws outlawed obscene materials, but also defined information about contraception as pornographic and banned its distribution; this was the period when John Scopes was tried and convicted for teaching evolution in Tennessee, a case so important in the evolving struggle to hold back the sea that no less than William Jennings Bryan was brought in to the small town of Dayton to prosecute Scopes. It was the jazz age, new, unbridled dances and scary music, most of it played by blacks. It was the time of Strawinsky, Gertude Stein and the new cubist art. It was also the time of Freud, and of Einstein's startling theories.

To many who lived traditional lives rooted in the past, these developments were profoundly unsettling; social patterns, indeed reality as many knew it, and the rules that governed reality, seemed everywhere to be in chaos and under attack. Many worried that everything valuable and important was ending, that society itself was becoming unmoored. Waves of fundamentalist revivalism developed, and seeped into American politics. This was when alcohol Prohibition passed (1919, effective 1920, not to be repealed until the New Deal). Much the same thing happened again as a reaction to the profound changes during the 1960s.

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22 March 12
The Science of Truthiness: Why Conservatives Deny Global Warming

http://www.desmogblog.com/science-tr...global-warming

There's lots of scientific study about the differences in how people think, and it's being applied to politics in interesting and new ways (and this article has a few comments about "liberals", too)

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

You mean the Anti- freedom party, I beg to differ! Conservative want to control what a women does with her body, that's not freedom! They wanna control who we marry, that isn't freedom! They Hate FREEDOM they love POWER, and CONTROL! That is NOT freedom in my book!

This is easily reversed depending on one's perspective.

The real anti-freedom party is the Democrats. They want to control what everybody does with their body. They wanna control what we eat - that isn't freedom. They want to ruthless destroy innocent life, regardless of what the father thinks, and depriving the mother of a free sonogram to evaluate her decision. They Hate FREEDOM they love POWER, and CONTROL.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

This is easily reversed depending on one's perspective.
The real anti-freedom party is the Democrats. They want to control what everybody does with their body.
They wanna control what we eat - that isn't freedom. They want to ruthless destroy innocent life, regardless of what the father thinks, and depriving the mother of a free sonogram to evaluate her decision. They Hate FREEDOM they love POWER, and CONTROL.

Nonsense. Forced sonograms are not FREE. The WOMAN IS FORCED TO PAY FOR IT. Who do you think pays for it? The government doesn't. The doctor doesn't.

How dare you pass a law that a vaginal probe has to be stuck in a woman against her will, against her doctor's advice, and she has to pay for it. What legislators think they have the power and control to force government object rape of it's citizens? That is exactly what you are supporting. YOU say a woman can't make a decision about her own body without YOU putting your two cents in by forcing her to have a sonogram. Bull.****.

Most Americans are Pro-Family Planning.

Republicans (*not all, but many in the party now) are dead-set against family planning.

Republicans* are anti-family planning.
Republicans* are anti-individual family rights.
Republicans* are anti-individual freedom over one's own reproductive life.
Republicans* want the POWER and CONTROL to tell women what to do with their own bodies.
Republicans* HATE women having individual freedom.

Republicans are the ones passing laws to control what other people can do regarding their individual families, trying to control what a woman can do with her own body.

It's appalling. It's completely against every tenant of freedom, of individual liberty, this country has stood for.

I've never met anybody who is in favor of abortion. But you nor the government have no right to tell families what to do in the privacy of their own lives. You nor the government have no right to force birthing on any American citizen, any woman or family. Especially in the case of rape, incest, or a damaged unborn child.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Forced sonograms are not FREE. The WOMAN IS FORCED TO PAY FOR IT. Who do you think pays for it? The government doesn't. The doctor doesn't.

How dare you pass a law that a vaginal probe has to be stuck in a woman against her will, against her doctor's advice, and she has to pay for it. What legislators think they have the power and control to force government object rape of it's citizens? That is exactly what you are supporting. YOU say a woman can't make a decision about her own body without YOU putting your two cents in by forcing her to have a sonogram. Bull.****.

Most Americans are Pro-Family Planning.

Republicans (*not all, but many in the party now) are dead-set against family planning.

Republicans* are anti-family planning.
Republicans* are anti-individual family rights.
Republicans* are anti-individual freedom over one's own reproductive life.
Republicans* want the POWER and CONTROL to tell women what to do with their own bodies.
Republicans* HATE women having individual freedom.

Republicans are the ones passing laws to control what other people can do regarding their individual families, trying to control what a woman can do with her own body.

It's appalling. It's completely against every tenant of freedom, of individual liberty, this country has stood for.

I've never met anybody who is in favor of abortion. But you nor the government have no right to tell families what to do in the privacy of their own lives. You nor the government have no right to force birthing on any American citizen, any woman or family. Especially in the case of rape, incest, or a damaged unborn child.

Abortion is murder - period, end of story. And all the handwringing in the world will not change that. And murder of the innocent should never be allowed under the law.

We've covered this before. Nothing has changed. All your biased statements do not further your desired acceptance of abortion.

And if the Republicans fight abortion at every turn - so much the better. Enough. There has been enough fetal extermination since 1973 to last centuries.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Forced sonograms are not FREE. The WOMAN IS FORCED TO PAY FOR IT. Who do you think pays for it? The government doesn't. The doctor doesn't.

How dare you pass a law that a vaginal probe has to be stuck in a woman against her will, against her doctor's advice, and she has to pay for it. What legislators think they have the power and control to force government object rape of it's citizens? That is exactly what you are supporting. YOU say a woman can't make a decision about her own body without YOU putting your two cents in by forcing her to have a sonogram. Bull.****.

Most Americans are Pro-Family Planning.

Republicans (*not all, but many in the party now) are dead-set against family planning.

Republicans* are anti-family planning.
Republicans* are anti-individual family rights.
Republicans* are anti-individual freedom over one's own reproductive life.
Republicans* want the POWER and CONTROL to tell women what to do with their own bodies.
Republicans* HATE women having individual freedom.

Republicans are the ones passing laws to control what other people can do regarding their individual families, trying to control what a woman can do with her own body.

It's appalling. It's completely against every tenant of freedom, of individual liberty, this country has stood for.

I've never met anybody who is in favor of abortion. But you nor the government have no right to tell families what to do in the privacy of their own lives. You nor the government have no right to force birthing on any American citizen, any woman or family. Especially in the case of rape, incest, or a damaged unborn child.

While we have never met, I am in favor of abortion. Too many unwanted kids out there as it is. I am also against fertility treatments for the same reason.