Entire ACA upheld by Supreme Court

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Entire ACA upheld 5-4 with Chief Justice joining the majority opinion. Individual mandate upheld as a tax.

[dagolfer33]

I would like to introduce into legislation the new "Direct Deposit Act". Just put all my money in the goverment's account, let them spend it, send me what is left over.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I would like to introduce into legislation the new "Direct Deposit Act". Just put all my money in the goverment's account, let them spend it, send me what is left over.

Here is what I don't understand and help me out here. Most if not all of us have health insurance and the costs are soaring due to other things covering those that are not covered becuase hospitals still have to treat them thus they charge insurance companies more for those that are insured. How is having more people insured such a horrible thing?

[hi_im_god]

a little more detail from amy howe at scotusblog:

In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

[hi_im_god]

there were 4 votes, including justice kennedy, to overturn the entire act.

kennedy wrote the dissent.

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

there were 4 votes, including justice kennedy, to overturn the entire act.

kennedy wrote the dissent.

Great minds think alike. Scotusblog is the best

What do you think about all the calls, even from conservatives, for Scalia to resign after his segue into political commentary while reading from the bench the other day? He's really getting "out there".

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From SCOTUSBLOG (the best source):

Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

It will be noted that CNN, in their hurry to announce a decision before everyone else, announced the opposite of what the Supreme Court did as "Breaking news".

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by jms62

How is having more people insured such a horrible thing?

It's not J. The horrible thing is the principle that the government can make you buy something. You have no choice here. If you don't want to pay car insurance, homeowners, or income tax, you have a choice. Don't own a car, home or work and you have made a choice. There is no choice here, and what will be the next mandate? Forcing the taxpayers to bailout automakers and financial institutions? Oh, they already did that.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

It's not J. The horrible thing is the principle that the government can make you buy something. You have no choice here. If you don't want to pay car insurance, homeowners, or income tax, you have a choice. Don't own a car, home or work and you have made a choice. There is no choice here, and what will be the next mandate? Forcing the taxpayers to bailout automakers and financial institutions? Oh, they already did that.

The problem is that ultimately those of us that make the choice to protect ourselves have to pay for those of us that chose not to protect themselves anyway. I understand the sensitivity to govenrment mandates but in this case I don't see it as a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by jms62

The problem is that ultimately those of us that make the choice to protect ourselves have to pay for those of us that chose not to protect themselves anyway. I understand the sensitivity to govenrment mandates but in this case I don't see it as a bad thing.

Only because of the mandate that care be provided no matter what. No other services fall under that type of mandate. My power bill doesn't cover my neighbor if he chooses not to pay because that would be ludicrous and the power company isn't required to provide him power.

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

It's not J. The horrible thing is the principle that the government can make you buy something. You have no choice here. If you don't want to pay car insurance, homeowners, or income tax, you have a choice. Don't own a car, home or work and you have made a choice. There is no choice here, and what will be the next mandate? Forcing the taxpayers to bailout automakers and financial institutions? Oh, they already did that.

You have the exact same choice here, too. Just like income tax, car insurance, you don't have to purchase health insurance, and you don't have to pay the penalty.

[dagolfer33]

Mandated funeral insurance coming next......funeral homes licking their chops.