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Old 06-28-2012, 01:30 PM
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18 Reasons the Affordable Care Act Is the Greatest Achievement for the Middle Class Since Medicare

By LOLGOP on June 20, 2012
via Eclectablog.com

On either Thursday, June 21 or Monday, June 25, the Supreme Court will issue its decision on the Affordable Care Act, which I’ve grown to enjoy calling ObamaCare.

Health care in the United States was actually socialized in the dumbest possible way through a law signed by Ronald Reagan. ObamaCare fixes that broken system and strengthens Medicare for decades to come.

You need to read Alec MacGillis’ “What New Law?” The thesis: The people who will benefit most from this landmark bill have no idea what’s in it.

Since hollering won’t do me any good, I think I should at least describe why ObamaCare was such a victory for you and your family.

1. A Harvard study found that 45,000 Americans die every year for lack of insurance.

2. After a century of trying, President Obama was the first president to sign a law that would achieve near universal health insurance coverage.

3. For the first time, health insurers are required to spend 80 to 85 percent of customers’ premiums on actual care. More than $1.3 billion in overcharges will be returned to consumers and employers this year.

4. The law allows many Americans under age 26 to stay on their parents’ health plans. Today, as many as three million young people have already taken advantage of this benefit.

5. Tens of millions of people now getting preventive care at no extra cost, including cancer screenings and vaccinations. Last year, 32.5 million Americans on Medicare and up to 54 million Americans with private insurance received one or more free preventive services

6. 3.2 million small businesses — employing 19.3 million workers nationwide — were eligible last year for tax credits worth $15.4 billion or $800 per employee.

7. 3.6 million Medicare beneficiaries saved on average of $600 each as part of the phasing out of the donut hole.

8. Health care fraud prosecutions are up 27 percent. Recoveries are up 58 percent, taking in $4 billion last year.

9. Most health plans cannot deny coverage to children under age 19 because of pre-existing conditions.

10. Insurance companies can no longer cap the dollar amount of care you can receive in a lifetime

11. Insurers cannot drop your coverage due to a mistake on your application when you get sick.


Beginning in 2014:


12. Marketplaces will be established in every state for people and small businesses that buy their own health insurance. Pregnancy, contraception and newborn care, along with vision and dental coverage for children, will be covered in all exchange plans and new plans sold to individuals and small businesses.

13. Plans will no longer be allowed to turn away people with pre-existing conditions.

14. If your income is less than about $88,000 for a family of four and your job doesn’t offer coverage, you may get tax credits to pay for insurance.

15. The national Medicaid minimum eligibility level of 133% of the federal poverty level ($29,700 for a family of four in 2011) for nearly all Americans under age 65.

16. Health care insurers will no longer be allowed to charge women more than men for their coverage.

17. Up to 30 million Americans who are currently not insured will be covered, saving thousands of American lives.

18. How is this all paid for? By slight tax increases on the investments of Americans earning over $250,000 a year, “Cadillac” insurance plans, medical device companies, penalties for businesses and individuals who can afford insurance but choose not to get it and tanning.
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1. A Harvard study found that 45,000 Americans die every year for lack of insurance. Pretty mush everyone dies, nobody has ever died from not having insurance.

2. After a century of trying, President Obama was the first president to sign a law that would achieve near universal health insurance coverage. Not even close actually.

3. For the first time, health insurers are required to spend 80 to 85 percent of customers’ premiums on actual care. More than $1.3 billion in overcharges will be returned to consumers and employers this year. No profits for businesses that take risks, sounds like a fine idea to me.

4. The law allows many Americans under age 26 to stay on their parents’ health plans. Today, as many as three million young people have already taken advantage of this benefit. 26 is no longer young, go out and be a grown up for fks sake.

5. Tens of millions of people now getting preventive care at no extra cost, including cancer screenings and vaccinations. Last year, 32.5 million Americans on Medicare and up to 54 million Americans with private insurance received one or more free preventive services. Oh there is a cost.

6. 3.2 million small businesses — employing 19.3 million workers nationwide — were eligible last year for tax credits worth $15.4 billion or $800 per employee. Unless you actually pay your employees a decent wage.

7. 3.6 million Medicare beneficiaries saved on average of $600 each as part of the phasing out of the donut hole. Would have been better to stop the fraud.

8. Health care fraud prosecutions are up 27 percent. Recoveries are up 58 percent, taking in $4 billion last year. Needs to be better, easy system to take advantage of because it is so poorly run, like all government agencies.

9. Most health plans cannot deny coverage to children under age 19 because of pre-existing conditions. This will make things WAY cheaper...

10. Insurance companies can no longer cap the dollar amount of care you can receive in a lifetime. Same as #9

11. Insurers cannot drop your coverage due to a mistake on your application when you get sick. Or what? That is the question.


Beginning in 2014:

12. Marketplaces will be established in every state for people and small businesses that buy their own health insurance. Pregnancy, contraception and newborn care, along with vision and dental coverage for children, will be covered in all exchange plans and new plans sold to individuals and small businesses. Unless they do not want it.

13. Plans will no longer be allowed to turn away people with pre-existing conditions. #9

14. If your income is less than about $88,000 for a family of four and your job doesn’t offer coverage, you may get tax credits to pay for insurance. That is wealthy in much of the country.

15. The national Medicaid minimum eligibility level of 133% of the federal poverty level ($29,700 for a family of four in 2011) for nearly all Americans under age 65. Good. This should have always been the case.

16. Health care insurers will no longer be allowed to charge women more than men for their coverage. Private businesses should be able to charge whomever, whatever they want. Don't like it go to a competitor.

17. Up to 30 million Americans who are currently not insured will be covered, saving thousands of American lives. #9

18. How is this all paid for? By slight tax increases on the investments of Americans earning over $250,000 a year, “Cadillac” insurance plans, medical device companies, penalties for businesses and individuals who can afford insurance but choose not to get it and tanning. I think as a business owner it is for me to decide what I can and cannot afford to buy/provide.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:54 PM
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What is considered a small business?


In general, you are considered a small business if you have up to 50 employees. In some states, this will include you if you are self-employed with no employees. Contact your State Department of Insurance to find out whether this applies in your state.

Can I get tax credits for providing insurance to my employees?

If you have up to 25 employees, pay average annual wages below $50,000, and provide health insurance, you may qualify for a small business tax credit of up to 35% (up to 25% for non-profits) to offset the cost of your insurance. This will bring down the cost of providing insurance.

Starting in 2014, the small business tax credit goes up to 50% (up to 35% for non-profits) for qualifying businesses. This makes the cost of providing insurance even lower.

Do I have to provide health insurance to my employees?

The Affordable Care Act does not require employers to provide health insurance for their employees.


The Employer Responsibility provision of the Affordable Care Act applies businesses with more than 50 full-time workers. To learn more read the Employer Bulletin on Automatic Enrollment, Employer Responsibility, and Waiting Periods.

What should the health insurance I offer to my employees cover?

It depends--states vary on what they require insurers to cover in small employer plans. Contact your State Department of Insurance for more information about small employer coverage requirements in your state.

What should I know when I am looking for health insurance for my employees?


If you are a small employer with 2-50 employees, health insurance companies cannot turn your business down based on the health status of your employees or their family members. This rule applies when you initially apply for small employer coverage and if you decide to change plans.

An insurer must also accept everyone in your group. Employees or family members (if you offer dependent coverage) with health conditions cannot be excluded from coverage.

Health insurance companies must sell you any small employer health plan they sell to other small employers in your state.

Contact your State Department of Insurance to learn more about your rights to getting and keeping small employer coverage.

What health insurance alternatives are available to my employees through the new law?

Starting in 2014, small businesses with generally fewer than 100 employees can shop in an Affordable Insurance Exchange—a new, transparent, competitive marketplace where individuals and small businesses can buy affordable, qualified health benefit plans. This gives small businesses power similar to what large businesses have to get better choices and lower prices for employee coverage.

Exchanges will offer more choices of high-quality coverage and lower prices. Exchanges will offer a choice of plans that meet certain benefits and cost standards.

Small businesses will benefit from insurance with lower administrative costs compared to the choices available in the small business market today because they will be able to pool together.

Limits on insurance rating, such as no more rating based on employees’ health status or gender, will lower premiums for many small businesses.

The small business tax credits and the new competition promoted by Affordable Insurance Exchanges will help keep the cost of insurance down.

Do I have to pay more based on the health status of my group?


Most states, but not all, limit how much premiums can vary due to employees’ health status and other factors. Even within these limits, premiums can be significantly higher if someone in a small employer plan has a serious health condition.

Contact your State Department of Insurance for more information about small employer rating rules in your state.

Under the Affordable Care Act, this will change. Starting in 2014, insurers won’t be allowed to charge more based on the health status of your group or the gender of your employees. There will also be limits on how much premiums can vary based on age.

Can an insurer cancel my small employer plan because one of my employees gets sick?

No, your insurance for the group (or for any member of the group) cannot be canceled because someone in your group becomes sick. This is called “guaranteed renewal.”

Do I have to report the cost of insurance in my employees’ W-2 forms?

Employers do not have to report the cost of insurance on employee W-2s in 2011. This reporting is optional in 2011.

The reporting requirement is intended to be informational and provide employees with greater transparency into health care costs. The amounts reported are not taxable.

Learn more about the W-2 reporting deferral from the IRS.
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1. A Harvard study found that 45,000 Americans die every year for lack of insurance. Pretty mush everyone dies, nobody has ever died from not having insurance.

2. After a century of trying, President Obama was the first president to sign a law that would achieve near universal health insurance coverage. Not even close actually.

3. For the first time, health insurers are required to spend 80 to 85 percent of customers’ premiums on actual care. More than $1.3 billion in overcharges will be returned to consumers and employers this year. No profits for businesses that take risks, sounds like a fine idea to me.

4. The law allows many Americans under age 26 to stay on their parents’ health plans. Today, as many as three million young people have already taken advantage of this benefit. 26 is no longer young, go out and be a grown up for fks sake.

5. Tens of millions of people now getting preventive care at no extra cost, including cancer screenings and vaccinations. Last year, 32.5 million Americans on Medicare and up to 54 million Americans with private insurance received one or more free preventive services. Oh there is a cost.

6. 3.2 million small businesses — employing 19.3 million workers nationwide — were eligible last year for tax credits worth $15.4 billion or $800 per employee. Unless you actually pay your employees a decent wage.

7. 3.6 million Medicare beneficiaries saved on average of $600 each as part of the phasing out of the donut hole. Would have been better to stop the fraud.

8. Health care fraud prosecutions are up 27 percent. Recoveries are up 58 percent, taking in $4 billion last year. Needs to be better, easy system to take advantage of because it is so poorly run, like all government agencies.

9. Most health plans cannot deny coverage to children under age 19 because of pre-existing conditions. This will make things WAY cheaper...

10. Insurance companies can no longer cap the dollar amount of care you can receive in a lifetime. Same as #9

11. Insurers cannot drop your coverage due to a mistake on your application when you get sick. Or what? That is the question.


Beginning in 2014:

12. Marketplaces will be established in every state for people and small businesses that buy their own health insurance. Pregnancy, contraception and newborn care, along with vision and dental coverage for children, will be covered in all exchange plans and new plans sold to individuals and small businesses. Unless they do not want it.

13. Plans will no longer be allowed to turn away people with pre-existing conditions. #9

14. If your income is less than about $88,000 for a family of four and your job doesn’t offer coverage, you may get tax credits to pay for insurance. That is wealthy in much of the country.

15. The national Medicaid minimum eligibility level of 133% of the federal poverty level ($29,700 for a family of four in 2011) for nearly all Americans under age 65. Good. This should have always been the case.

16. Health care insurers will no longer be allowed to charge women more than men for their coverage. Private businesses should be able to charge whomever, whatever they want. Don't like it go to a competitor.

17. Up to 30 million Americans who are currently not insured will be covered, saving thousands of American lives. #9

18. How is this all paid for? By slight tax increases on the investments of Americans earning over $250,000 a year, “Cadillac” insurance plans, medical device companies, penalties for businesses and individuals who can afford insurance but choose not to get it and tanning. I think as a business owner it is for me to decide what I can and cannot afford to buy/provide.
exactly..great post
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1. A Harvard study found that 45,000 Americans die every year for lack of insurance. Pretty mush everyone dies, nobody has ever died from not having insurance.

2. After a century of trying, President Obama was the first president to sign a law that would achieve near universal health insurance coverage. Not even close actually.

3. For the first time, health insurers are required to spend 80 to 85 percent of customers’ premiums on actual care. More than $1.3 billion in overcharges will be returned to consumers and employers this year. No profits for businesses that take risks, sounds like a fine idea to me.

4. The law allows many Americans under age 26 to stay on their parents’ health plans. Today, as many as three million young people have already taken advantage of this benefit. 26 is no longer young, go out and be a grown up for fks sake.

5. Tens of millions of people now getting preventive care at no extra cost, including cancer screenings and vaccinations. Last year, 32.5 million Americans on Medicare and up to 54 million Americans with private insurance received one or more free preventive services. Oh there is a cost.

6. 3.2 million small businesses — employing 19.3 million workers nationwide — were eligible last year for tax credits worth $15.4 billion or $800 per employee. Unless you actually pay your employees a decent wage.

7. 3.6 million Medicare beneficiaries saved on average of $600 each as part of the phasing out of the donut hole. Would have been better to stop the fraud.

8. Health care fraud prosecutions are up 27 percent. Recoveries are up 58 percent, taking in $4 billion last year. Needs to be better, easy system to take advantage of because it is so poorly run, like all government agencies.

9. Most health plans cannot deny coverage to children under age 19 because of pre-existing conditions. This will make things WAY cheaper...

10. Insurance companies can no longer cap the dollar amount of care you can receive in a lifetime. Same as #9

11. Insurers cannot drop your coverage due to a mistake on your application when you get sick. Or what? That is the question.


Beginning in 2014:

12. Marketplaces will be established in every state for people and small businesses that buy their own health insurance. Pregnancy, contraception and newborn care, along with vision and dental coverage for children, will be covered in all exchange plans and new plans sold to individuals and small businesses. Unless they do not want it.

13. Plans will no longer be allowed to turn away people with pre-existing conditions. #9

14. If your income is less than about $88,000 for a family of four and your job doesn’t offer coverage, you may get tax credits to pay for insurance. That is wealthy in much of the country.

15. The national Medicaid minimum eligibility level of 133% of the federal poverty level ($29,700 for a family of four in 2011) for nearly all Americans under age 65. Good. This should have always been the case.

16. Health care insurers will no longer be allowed to charge women more than men for their coverage. Private businesses should be able to charge whomever, whatever they want. Don't like it go to a competitor.

17. Up to 30 million Americans who are currently not insured will be covered, saving thousands of American lives. #9

18. How is this all paid for? By slight tax increases on the investments of Americans earning over $250,000 a year, “Cadillac” insurance plans, medical device companies, penalties for businesses and individuals who can afford insurance but choose not to get it and tanning. I think as a business owner it is for me to decide what I can and cannot afford to buy/provide.
To point 3. Id much rather have the CEO of United Healthcare pull in 300 million a year and myself have to pay for half my medication because they decide not to cover the full amount anymore.
PS I am very happy you Are not affected by the fires.
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To point 3. Id much rather have the CEO of United Healthcare pull in 300 million a year and myself have to pay for half my medication because they decide not to cover the full amount anymore.
PS I am very happy you Are not affected by the fires.
I do not agree with any company paying salaries like that to anyone. If I am a shareholder I would be pissed. I also disagree with the way insurance companies operate as well, especially when it come to prescriptions, while I am medicine free my wife is not, but the way this has been written it is going to make things worse IMO.
Thank you for the PS, we actually thought we saw something burning in our area this morning on our run but it was a distant reflection of the sunrise. Paranoia is rampant around here.
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Thank you for the PS, we actually thought we saw something burning in our area this morning on our run but it was a distant reflection of the sunrise. Paranoia is rampant around here.
Seems like things are temporarily looking up there, glad you guys are still okay. Still hot, dry, dangerous.
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To point 3. Id much rather have the CEO of United Healthcare pull in 300 million a year and myself have to pay for half my medication because they decide not to cover the full amount anymore.
PS I am very happy you Are not affected by the fires.
you want to know whats funny?

Prior to Obamacare I only had to pay $10 for scrips

Ever since Obamacare passed and United Healthcare dramatically changed their insurance plans... I now must pay the full amount.

Obamacare turned my personal insurance to absolute ****.
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you want to know whats funny?

Prior to Obamacare I only had to pay $10 for scrips

Ever since Obamacare passed and United Healthcare dramatically changed their insurance plans... I now must pay the full amount.

Obamacare turned my personal insurance to absolute ****.
Or did United Healthcare see it as an opportunity to gouge knowing they could deflect the blame.
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Or did United Healthcare see it as an opportunity to gouge knowing they could deflect the blame.
Weren't gouging opportunities supposed to be eliminated by this?
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Or did United Healthcare see it as an opportunity to gouge knowing they could deflect the blame.
that could very well be the case, but it doesnt change my insurance plan back to a good one.

according to UHC, the cadillac tax which will come into affect in 2014 was the reason they were changing the plans... my former plan was certainly no caddy in my eyes. now my plan is equivalent to a bicycle.

at any rate, I've only been hurt by the new health care law, and things wont be getting better.
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Or did United Healthcare see it as an opportunity to gouge knowing they could deflect the blame.
the health insurers are going to have to do everything they can to continue to make a profit. you ever run a business? there aren't many who can only put 15% of their money into the business and keep it running.

the company i work for announced that there will be rebates forthcoming to their health plan participants. their health insurer spend only 84.7% on claims, so they get to distribute a whopping .3% rebate. a couple of dollars. yeah, that's so worth having coverages changed, curtailed, removed...but at least there are 'free things' being covered now.
lmao. yeah, free.
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you want to know whats funny?

Prior to Obamacare I only had to pay $10 for scrips

Ever since Obamacare passed and United Healthcare dramatically changed their insurance plans... I now must pay the full amount.

Obamacare turned my personal insurance to absolute ****.
No. That's your personal insurance company screwing you real good one last time.

There is zero in "Obamacare" that has gone into effect that has anything at all to do with that.
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4. The law allows many Americans under age 26 to stay on their parents’ health plans. Today, as many as three million young people have already taken advantage of this benefit. 26 is no longer young, go out and be a grown up for fks sake.
Burn! You hear that, generation of college graduates with fewer job opportunities and more student loan debt than any in American history? Go out and buy overpriced private health insurance with the crazy amount of uncommitted income you definitely have.

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Actually, ateam, health insurance for 20 somethings is cheap. Thats the group they especially want, very low risk healthwise.
Also, if i put my girl on my plan, it would cost more per month then her buying her own. I know, because we looked into it.
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Actually, ateam, health insurance for 20 somethings is cheap. Thats the group they especially want, very low risk healthwise.
Also, if i put my girl on my plan, it would cost more per month then her buying her own. I know, because we looked into it.
I don't dispute this. I was making a larger point to an obtuse poster.
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I don't dispute this. I was making a larger point to an obtuse poster.
gotcha.
yeah, my son was better off going on his own than even group coverage. of course when he gets older that'd be a different story.
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Actually, ateam, health insurance for 20 somethings is cheap. Thats the group they especially want, very low risk healthwise.
Also, if i put my girl on my plan, it would cost more per month then her buying her own. I know, because we looked into it.
Its only cheap if you have an income and are not facing a 300K college loan. Ateam nailed it.
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Its only cheap if you have an income and are not facing a 300K college loan. Ateam nailed it.
let's put it this way, it's less expensive than car insurance. than a cable bill. for mark, who smokes, it's less than 60 a month-it's cheaper than his tobacco habit.
and if someone decides to rack up 300k in student loans, health insurance probably isn't their biggest worry. i'd be more concerned about why i opted to get that far in debt if it were me.
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Burn! You hear that, generation of college graduates with fewer job opportunities and more student loan debt than any in American history? Go out and buy overpriced private health insurance with the crazy amount of uncommitted income you definitely have.

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Crazy thought, perhaps college isn't for everyone. Maybe if there wasn't a college for everyone, no matter the cost, people would go and learn how to do something useful as opposed to staying in school forever studying art history.
PS I am 37, didn't graduate college and own two successful business that employ 24 people.
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