Now this is what I call trolling!

[Calzone Lord]

Here is the movie (or 14 mintues of it anyway) that has inspired attacks on US Embassies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qmodVun16Q4


A+ for trolling

F for acting and screenplay.

[Riot]

Wish we could lock the crazy, hate-filled religious extremists from all sides in one big colosseum, and let them fight it out among themselves.

[Thepaindispenser]

It is obvious by now that the film had nothing to do with the attack on our embassy in Libya. It is the spin by Obama to coverup his failed foreign policies. By the way who cares if the filmmaker has ties to the Christian right. Riot are you trying to say that the filmmaker doesn't have a right to make this film? Good for You Tube and Google for telling Obama where to go when he asked them to take the film off of their sites. Can you imagine a President of the USA putting the feelings of violent,hateful, extremist Islamists over one of our most valuable rights, the right of free speech? Just another reason not to vote for this clown in November.

[GBBob]

[quote=Thepaindispenser;890284]It is obvious by now that the film had nothing to do with the attack on our embassy in Libya. It is the spin by Obama to coverup his failed foreign policies. By the way who cares if the filmmaker has ties to the Christian right. Riot are you trying to say that the filmmaker doesn't have a right to make this film? Good for You Tube and Google for telling Obama where to go when he asked them to take the film off of their sites. Can you imagine a President of the USA putting the feelings of violent,hateful, extremist Islamists over one of our most valuable rights, the right of free speech? Just another reason not to vote for this clown in November.[/QUOTE]

Yup...your brother..or was it friend...or...whatever..he's right..you bring a lot of intelligent debate to this forum

[Thepaindispenser]

[quote=GBBob;890296]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

It is obvious by now that the film had nothing to do with the attack on our embassy in Libya. It is the spin by Obama to coverup his failed foreign policies. By the way who cares if the filmmaker has ties to the Christian right. Riot are you trying to say that the filmmaker doesn't have a right to make this film? Good for You Tube and Google for telling Obama where to go when he asked them to take the film off of their sites. Can you imagine a President of the USA putting the feelings of violent,hateful, extremist Islamists over one of our most valuable rights, the right of free speech? Just another reason not to vote for this clown in November.[/QUOTE]

Yup...your brother..or was it friend...or...whatever..he's right..you bring a lot of intelligent debate to this forum

For Bob if it isn't something supporting or making excuses for all the failed policies of the Obama administration then it isn't intelligent debate. You have a problem with people who happen to disagree with you. Plus you are a hypocrite as you attack the methods of those who disagree with you while you remain silent about the insults and nasty methods used by your fellow ideologue Riot.

Yeah Bob, Obama is really doing a great job. Maybe one day you will open your eyes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

It is obvious by now that the film had nothing to do with the attack on our embassy in Libya. It is the spin by Obama to coverup his failed foreign policies. By the way who cares if the filmmaker has ties to the Christian right. Riot are you trying to say that the filmmaker doesn't have a right to make this film? Good for You Tube and Google for telling Obama where to go when he asked them to take the film off of their sites. Can you imagine a President of the USA putting the feelings of violent,hateful, extremist Islamists over one of our most valuable rights, the right of free speech? Just another reason not to vote for this clown in November.

What has dramatically changed in our foriegn policy in the last 3 1/2 years compared to the last admin? Or the ones before for that matter? Seems the status quo is still the same as its been for years.
And note that as you say, omama asked them to take it down. Didnt order it, he asked.

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What has dramatically changed in our foriegn policy in the last 3 1/2 years compared to the last admin? Or the ones before for that matter? Seems the status quo is still the same as its been for years.
And note that as you say, omama asked them to take it down. Didnt order it, he asked.

What has changed in our foreign policy??? How Russian reset buttons, apologizing to other countries, bowing to murdering dictators, leading from behind, not fighting to win in Afghanistan, withdrawing from Iraq leaving a vacuum that the Iranians are filling, distancing from Israel to appease other countries who seem to respect us less anyway, waging wars without Congressional approval. Yeah Danzig nothing has changed.

Also Danzig, Obama is not an all powerful dictator, although you know he wants to be, so he can't order You Tube and Google to take down videos that aren't violating any laws. Just by asking them, he choose the feelings of murdering, extremist Islamist thugs over a fundamental right for Americans. Also why is the government all of the sudden investigating the filmmaker over an unrelated charge? Obviously to silence him to appease violent, intolerant Islamic thugs.

By the way that video has been up on You Tube for months, only idiots believe Obama's desperate story of that being the reason for the attacks. Even if it was the reason, he should be defending the free speech rights of an American.

Also have you noticed how all of these hypocrites in Hollywood don't have the guts to defend free speech rights here when they defend those rights when any anti-Christian film is made. Let's see if Bill Maher, who made an anti-Christian film and donates heavily to Obama, has the guts to defend the filmmaker here. If he doesn't, he is just another gutless Hollywood hypocrite who will offensively criticize Christianity because he knows no harm will come to him but won't defend someone's rights to criticize Islam because he is afraid of violent Islamic extremists.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

What has changed in our foreign policy??? How Russian reset buttons, apologizing to other countries, bowing to murdering dictators, leading from behind, not fighting to win in Afghanistan, withdrawing from Iraq leaving a vacuum that the Iranians are filling, distancing from Israel to appease other countries who seem to respect us less anyway, waging wars without Congressional approval. Yeah Danzig nothing has changed.

Also Danzig, Obama is not an all powerful dictator, although you know he wants to be, so he can't order You Tube and Google to take down videos that aren't violating any laws. Just by asking them, he choose the feelings of murdering, extremist Islamist thugs over a fundamental right for Americans. Also why is the government all of the sudden investigating the filmmaker over an unrelated charge? Obviously to silence him to appease violent, intolerant Islamic thugs.

By the way that video has been up on You Tube for months, only idiots believe Obama's desperate story of that being the reason for the attacks. Even if it was the reason, he should be defending the free speech rights of an American.

Also have you noticed how all of these hypocrites in Hollywood don't have the guts to defend free speech rights here when they defend those rights when any anti-Christian film is made. Let's see if Bill Maher, who made an anti-Christian film and donates heavily to Obama, has the guts to defend the filmmaker here. If he doesn't, he is just another gutless Hollywood hypocrite who will offensively criticize Christianity because he knows no harm will come to him but won't defend someone's rights to criticize Islam because he is afraid of violent Islamic extremists.

our allies and enemies haven't changed a whit. and with obama's drone attacks, he certainly has taken things even further than bush did in that regard. and as for withdrawing from iraq, i'm glad we did that. it was planned before he took office, so that wasn't a change of plan on his part-it was a continuation. his style is different, the policies remain the same.
did you notice the democratic party reaffirming israel being our ally, and them going on record about jerusalem being their capital. that hasn't even been part of our official policy. another step further. saying we are 'resetting' relations with russia is a far cry from actually doing so, and at least the current admin didn't say something as ridiculously stupid as bush did when he said he 'saw in putins eyes' that he was a good guy. now, that's a stroke of naivete if i ever saw one.
we haven't fought to win in afganistan since entering that stupid war. remember, the one war expanding to two, with much of the focus being placed on iraq, where we should never have gone? and had we not gone there, you wouldn't be having the bs with iran that you have-which is exactly why bush one didn't push into iraq back with the first gulf war. and had we not invaded iraq, the focus would have remained solely on afganistan from the start. we went in with guns blazing, completely ignoring history in afganistan, and the fact that a 'war' on terror isn't exactly going to be conventionally fought...and knowing the track records for countries invading that wasteland, it would turn out a waste anyway.
and you're right, nothing has changed. which was my point. we're still involved in the morass bush started in afganistan. we're still seeing problems that came from us going into iraq. meanwhile, everything else is pretty much status quo, except maybe with egypt-and that's probably balanced by libya.


and it's not obama's 'story' that the film was the cause of the attacks. it's the cause of the protests. the attack was pre-planned, and took place when they felt an opportune moment came.
and i guess you've ignored all the people in those countries who are standing up for us, and are ashamed of what's occurred? but then, if you did, it wouldn't help your whole 'obama sucks' argument.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

It is obvious by now that the film had nothing to do with the attack on our embassy in Libya. It is the spin by Obama to coverup his failed foreign policies. By the way who cares if the filmmaker has ties to the Christian right. Riot are you trying to say that the filmmaker doesn't have a right to make this film? Good for You Tube and Google for telling Obama where to go when he asked them to take the film off of their sites. Can you imagine a President of the USA putting the feelings of violent,hateful, extremist Islamists over one of our most valuable rights, the right of free speech? Just another reason not to vote for this clown in November.

Geeshus, Pointman, cut the crap. You're beyond a joke.

[MaTH716]

BT = Islamic Terriorst. I guess that expains the beard in Tampa..........

[MaTH716]

Not for anything but at the 2:53 mark, they say to "name him Mohammad", the actor looks like he is mouthing something else and Mohammad has been dubbed in.

[Danzig]

it's like a bad porn movie, without the sex.

[MaTH716]

The only reason these people should have rioted is, if they were forced to sit through this........................


at the 4:20 mark

[Riot]

An obscure slapstick film said to be entitled Innocence of Muslims or Life of Muhammed has been cited as the cause for riots at US diplomatic posts in Egypt and Libya.

But the existence of the purported filmmaker, Sam Bacile, allegedly a 52-year-old Israeli-American real estate developer, has not been proven.

In interviews with the AP news agency and the Wall Street Journal, a man calling himself "Sam Bacile" said he had raised about $5m to produce the film. He also was quoted describing Islam as "a cancer", and claimed he had raised money from "about 100 Jewish donors" to make the video.

But the interview subject did not even give the same age during his two known press interviews, as he told the AP he was 56.

The man said the amateur, two-hour-long film had involved dozens of actors and was produced in California in 2011. But new reports suggest neither any prior social media presence by the director nor any IMDB page for the film.

The director of the California Film Commission - which issues permits for films that are shot in the state, told the Huffington Post that no permit was ever granted to someone by the name "Sam Bacile".

'Desert Warrior'

The trailer for the film - which itself is so far unavailable to the public - portrays Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as a fraud and a womaniser, and depicts him having sex. The entire film has only been shown once in public, at a theatre in Hollywood, said the source who identified himself as "Bacile".

He also explained he made the film because “after 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge”, AP reported. "Even Jesus, even Muhammad."

But actors who participated in the filming now say they had no idea the film was even about Muhamad or Islam. The original casting call was reportedly for a film called "Desert Warrior" by director Alan Roberts.

And all the film's religious references were actually dubbed after the original shooting.

"Bacile" is now reportedly in hiding, even though reports suggest that the name is merely cover for a larger group, or a pseudonym for someone who may be neither Israeli nor Jewish - but who cited such an identify to inflame tensions.

One of the actresses who says she was tricked into being in the film says "Bacile" told her on set that he was Egyptian, and that he spoke Arabic to other men present.

Reuters has reported that Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church issued a statement condemning some Egyptian Christians living aboard who it said had financed "the production of a film insulting Prophet Muhammad".

In Egypt and Libya, public anger at the video spilled over on Tuesday, leading to the death of the US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya and the evacuation of embassy workers in Cairo.

Spread on social media

How did an obscure film trailer come to have international ramifications? It was first posted on YouTube by a user called "sam bacile" in July 2012, and has received about 450,000 views to date.

The trailer began to get more attention in September. On September 4, the same user posted a version dubbed in Arabic, which has garnered tens of thousands of views.

Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian born in Egypt but who lives in the US, told AP he had been promoting the film on his website. He also tweeted a link to the trailer on September 9.

Sadek, the head of the National American Coptic Assembly, is known for his vehemently anti-Islam views, and told the Wall Street Journal that “the violence that it [the film] caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are".

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans in 2011 spurred riots across the Muslim world leading to several deaths, also reportedly promoted the film.

The Arabic version of the trailer received heavy media coverage in Egypt last week, including by controversial hardline TV host Khaled Abdallah, who reported on the film on September 8.

A clip of the show was posted to YouTube on September 9, where it has received almost 400,000 views so far.

"The operation behind this film appears to be extreme Egyptian Copts who want to discredit the Morsi government and create a provocation," journalist Max Blumenthal told Al Jazeera.

"They oppose the revolution and are aligned with Christian right groups who have an apocalyptic, theocratic agenda and who are inciting against Muslim-Americans," Blumenthal said, adding, "They put Muslims in the US in danger, they put Copts in Egypt in danger, and they're putting US diplomats in danger."

YouTube clip blocked

The Afghan government on Wednesday temporarily blocked YouTube in an effort to discourage people from watching the clip. YouTube also blocked the video in Egypt, agency reports said.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, the company said: "We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions.

"This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere.

"This video - which is widely available on the web - is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.

"Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in [Tuesday's] attack in Libya."

Observers say Google has grown more averse to removing videos. After its 2006 acquisition of YouTube, it was accused of censorship in several high-profile controversies.

"They're squeezed on all sides," said Rebecca MacKinnon, a fellow at the New America Foundation. "But because of pressure from a lot of people who feel they made the wrong decisions, they now generally err on the side of keeping things up."

In recent years, Google has used technology to filter out videos in certain countries to comply with local regulations.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here is the movie (or 14 mintues of it anyway) that has inspired attacks on US Embassies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qmodVun16Q4


A+ for trolling

F for acting and screenplay.

is it weird that I never met you and dont even know who you are... but I idolize you?

Besides the Beulah Thread... you're the Randy Moss of Derby Trail.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

is it weird that I never met you and dont even know who you are... but I idolize you?

Besides the Beulah Thread... you're the Randy Moss of Derby Trail.

The white or black one?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The white or black one?

I almost typed the black one... but since we're talking DrugS here, I figured that would be implied


you coming back to tampa in the spring??????

my golf game is getting better.. I'm down to bet anyone except GPK

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I almost typed the black one... but since we're talking DrugS here, I figured that would be implied


you coming back to tampa in the spring??????

my golf game is getting better.. I'm down to bet anyone except GPK

From what I understand, they is going to be a very strong turnout at the Spa next year. So I might try to save my chips and get up there (by myself) for a few days.

Even so, not sure that Tampa is in the cards for this year.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

From what I understand, they is going to be a very strong turnout at the Spa next year. So I might try to save my chips and get up there (by myself) for a few days.

Even so, not sure that Tampa is in the cards for this year.

I had such a great time at Saratoga this year.. if a toga trip is planned instead of a tampa trip, that is a-okay with me.

I just feel like we need to see where things will be headed with NYRA. I really hope next years Saratoga will be the same Saratoga I've known and loved over the past 16 years.

[Riot]

Man who produced film that sparked death of US embassy staff is bank fraudster with ties to Christian right

California man confirms role in anti-Islam film that sparked deadly Libya violence

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula says he was manager for the company that produced 'Innocence of Muslims,' which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad.

By DPA and The Associated Press | Sep.13, 2012

The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

snip

Nakoula, who talked guardedly about his role, pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and ordered not to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.

snip

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams said Nakoula set up fraudulent bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers, then checks from those accounts would be deposited into other bogus accounts from which Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.

snip

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...lence-1.464700