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09-29-2006, 02:37 PM
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09-29-2006, 02:41 PM
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agree, but I AM LOVING this Cardinal collapse, I am going to the bar tonight JUST TO WATCH this game and cheer against them, hopefully there are TONS of Cardinal fans there....hell, maybe I should drive to STL and just get all nuts on them, would be the most worthwhile 4.5 hour drive EVER
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09-29-2006, 02:50 PM
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I think that the Cardinals should complete the collapse before we really try and put it into context Tim.
I kinda think that your beloved Red Sox collapse in losing 5 games straight this year at their home field after leading the division most of the year would have to be right up there. Doesn't matter WHEN you collapse, you just seem to be keying on this because it happened in September rather in August. Where exactly is the difference? Other than the fact the Cards are STILL in first place with only a weekend left to play. At least they control their own destiny and have a shot. I don't see how a collapse in September differs from one in July or June.
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09-29-2006, 03:27 PM
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I knew you couldnt just answer the question without somehow reverting back to the Red Sox blowing it this year. The difference is even if they had gone
2-3 or 3-2 in that series, who knows how long that would have kept them in it. Lets be real, the Yankees pulverized the Red Sox in those first 3 games then all they had to do is win 1 game in 4 chances, 2 being at home, and still could not get it done. I think 99% of all sports fans would agree with me that what transpired in the 2004 playoffs was way more of a choke then what the very mediocre Red Sox of 2006 did. Please.
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09-29-2006, 03:37 PM
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I read all about "michigan St's collapse" this past weekend, and I read about the "eagles collapse" against the Giants. I didn't get those either. I watched both games, and I simply saw two teams who absolutely did everything right and badly outplayed their opponents in the last 1/4's. Same with the Buffalo-Houston playoff game where the Bills were losing like 35-3 at halftime. I mean Holy ****!! In the second half the Bills played every down on offense and defense perfectly!!!!! I'm sorry but that wasn't a Houston collapse, that was one team just kicking the **** out of the other one. Big difference to me. Its an overused term, and a badly overused one at that. Greg Norman collapsed at the Masters, yes thats true. But thats a single man sport where the guy playing is not affected by how the other guy is, his fate is in his own hands. The collapse the Sox put on AFTER losing to the Yanks is what I am referring to. They played the Yanks hard in that 5 game series, they narrowly lost 3 games to them and it easily could have been a difrefent story. Its how they pouted and played after that. And please, spare me the rationalizations of how mediocre the Sox were. LOL!! You must be kidding!! You explicity said that the Yanks would not even make the playoffs as late as August, I remember the post!!!!! So you thought the Sox were great then, but now that they are going home, they are mediocre. I'd say thats Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest. The Cardinals haven't written the last chapter yet. If they do blow it, perhaps it will be a famous collapse.
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09-29-2006, 03:42 PM
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The difference is if I were asked by you or by anybody on here what was a greater collapse, the Red Sox blowing the 1986 World Series against the Mets or a possible St. Louis 2006 collapse (very close to happening) I would answer the question without reverting back to a collapse from the favorite team of the person asking the question. And please, I never said the Red Sox were anything close to great this year, but I did thought they would make the playoffs and the Yankees would miss them. But in no way does that imply that I think the Red Sox were anything better than mediocre. In my opinion, the Padres are mediocre, yet they are in the playoffs.
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09-29-2006, 04:03 PM
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i would say it would be the cards IF they don't make it to the playoffs
That type of lead The '04 Yanks and '78 Red Sox give each team's followers nightmares but if the cards blow this: I personally think they will Does anybody trust Jeff Weaver and the Cardinal bullpen tonight? I think the lose 4 in a row to Milwaukee
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09-30-2006, 10:01 AM
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[quote=oracle80]I don't think all come from behinds are collapses Tim, thats where you and I differ.
I read all about "michigan St's collapse" this past weekend, and I read about the "eagles collapse" against the Giants. I didn't get those either. I watched both games, and I simply saw two teams who absolutely did everything right and badly outplayed their opponents in the last 1/4's. Same with the Buffalo-Houston playoff game where the Bills were losing like 35-3 at halftime. I mean Holy ****!! In the second half the Bills played every down on offense and defense perfectly!!!!! I'm sorry but that wasn't a Houston collapse, that was one team just kicking the **** out of the other one. Big difference to me. I remember that Buffalo-Houston game well.. Jeff Fisher's run and shoot offense couldn't keep Buddy Ryan's defense off the field. Finally came to a head, with Buddy throwing a punch at Fisher..wasn't Buddy's first, or last punch.. It wasn't so much of a collapse, as it being an offense that wasn't geared to set on a lead. Whether Frank Reich started the game..and came in for Kelly is a little fuzzy. Ez
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09-30-2006, 10:06 AM
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Ezra it was reich who came in. I will never forget watching the 2nd half. It was pretty obvious after the 2nd Buffalo touchdown when the crowd went insane how it was gonna end. My friend said after the third touchdown that place was actually shaking from the noise and complete insanity. You could just see Buffalo had made some adjustments at halftime and came out not defeated, but like a team on a mission. Reich just kept throwing it and they just kept catching it. And the defense lead by Bruce Smith just swarmed on them on every play. I was just trying to say that not all teams who blow leads in games or series collapse, sometimes the other team just kicks it into turbodrive and outplays them.
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09-30-2006, 07:25 AM
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Even die hard Yankee fans admit that was if not the biggest choke, top 3 easily. No excuse for it.
Every Yankee fan I know but Oracle calls this one of the biggest chokes ever. Just think if it was a 5 game series, Yankees would have swept, right Mike? No way should the Yankees have somehow found a way to win 1 more game in the next 4. Thats a tough feat against a bum like Schilling whos tendon is coming out of his ankle. Kev, thanks for the stats, I had gone back and posted the scores in one of the posts right before yours.
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09-30-2006, 08:29 AM
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Red Sox simply had a better team that year, I've always felt that.
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