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10-02-2006, 01:05 AM
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Discreet Cat earns 115 Beyer Speed Figure
..for that public workout in the Jerome....ouch....
He and Bernardini seem to be on a different planet from a talent standpoint...period.. Its a shame if they skip the BC...what a race it would be between he and his stablemate, whom both may be 2 of the best horses we've seen in a while... Fitting time for Invasor to get sick...not sure if it was a fever or McLaughlin reading Bernardini's PPs on why he isn't running in the JCGC Saturday....Either way, now Bernardini has an even easier prep only having to drill Dylan Thomas before the BC Classic....Frankly, Discreet Cat is the only intriguing horse out there that actually has the god-given ability to beat Bernardini in the Classic IMO, so we as racing fans need to hope that they choose to run Discreet Cat in the BC too...what a showdown it would be....  
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10-02-2006, 01:09 AM
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I just hope Godolphin pays you....... something.
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10-02-2006, 01:15 AM
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There is only one reason why I would for Discreet Cat to run in Louisville on November 4th, and that is that I could see possibly the greatest race between two potential superhorses of all time live and in person.
I really think that they should put him in the Cigar Mile though as I have already stated like 10 times.
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10-02-2006, 01:18 AM
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I literally jumped out of my burka when I saw his beyer.
ALLAH AKBAR!!! And of course Invasor is not sick! You'd play sick too if you had to face the exceptional horses from the savior of Islam.
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#5
10-02-2006, 01:18 AM
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Man, I just butchered that post with incoherent thoughts and speech...It's getting late and I've still got 1 more paper to go...
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#6
10-02-2006, 01:23 AM
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By the way, Joel, when I mentioned a horse's Beyer figures recently in the course of a discussion you responded in a semi-horrified manner that you couldn't believe someone as supposedly knowledgable as myself would pay any mind to the Beyer figures.....but somehow now that one legitimizes a Godolphin horse they are meaningful to you.
So, Joel, which is it?
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10-02-2006, 01:24 AM
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I'm also a little curious as to how you already know his Beyer number.
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10-02-2006, 01:21 AM
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Its funny that because I predicted this assault on America in May in a story I wrote that it makes everybody believe that I have to be such a supporter of them....I also picked the Yankees to win the World Series and I HATE those mother freakers... People always have something to say...its natural to knock in this game...A wise old Fair Grounds-based trainer once told me that, "You can't be involved in this game unless you were born with a great ability to knock other people" ...you know, he's proving himself right on that statement everyday I live and work in this industry...and no, I'm no different..I just think the level of negativity is hilarious at times 
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10-02-2006, 01:33 AM
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Besides, you know the REAL reason why I made that bet.... Oh yeah, and mother freaker is a cute word Joel 
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10-02-2006, 01:42 AM
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10-02-2006, 01:48 AM
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If it was the other kind of capacity, I'm young and will do as I please... I have my whole life ahead of me... Besides, I need to have a little fun with the year that I have had... 
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10-02-2006, 09:04 AM
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Joel,
That was a disgusting display of talent. I hope they decide to run him in the BC Mile. I just think it would be great for racing to see him square off with Gorgeous George. BTW, I know you have been with these two since the start of their careers.
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#13
10-02-2006, 09:14 AM
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From what I hear, Goldolphine is going to skip the BC with Discreet Cat. I hear it is about an 85% chance the horse is going to go in the Cigar Mile. They will keep him around until the Dubai World Cup and then we prob won't ever see him again.
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10-02-2006, 12:55 PM
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I agree it would be fun to see him somewhere on BC day, but the Classic would fit him best IMO...If they turned him back to six furlongs after going a mile, I'm not sure I'd like him as much as progressing in distance...Don't get me wrong, he could win the Sprint because of his natural high cruising speed, but i think it would be a much harder race for him because any misfortune is hard to overcome in that race because it is a full field of horses blitzing the entire way...the Mile will be the same way...horses that win those two races are ones who can overcome some sort of obstacles and since Discreet Cat hasn't been tested yet this year I would question how he'd handle having to go too wwde, race too fast early, or get stopped and wait for a hole to open, etc. in a race of that caliber...it usually requires some luck and a battle-tested horse on top of being good to win those two races....positioning in the 1 1/4-mile Classic is so much easier, as is the pace scenario and room for error.... I think if they run him in the BC Classic that he will be no worse than second behind his stablemate...i really think so.....his dam won the 1 1/4-mile Alabama at Saratoga when she was 3 and she is by stamina influence Private Account - so I think the classic disatnce won't be an issue...he has already embarrassed horses like Simpatico Bribon, Invasor, etc.going 1 1/8 miles in the UAE Derby.... My best guess is that they do run him in the Cigar Mile at AQU and go back to Dubai and run him in the WOrld Cup against Bernardini in a World Cup that would actually be worth watching for once in the last few years IMO..There was originally talk of hin shipping to Churchill DOwns to train ad actually pre-entering in the Classic ONLY as a back up if something were to happen to Bernardini to cause him to defect at the last minute....Also, Discreet Cat would run in the 1 1/8-mile Clark (G1) at Churchill Downs later in October since he would be on the grounds as a BC Classic back-up.... But i guess the Cigar Mile looks like the likely spot now...I think by hearing their logic that they belive that he is at his best a Miler, which they may be right about that.... Whatever the hell he is, he is a freak and i'm just glad horse racing enthusiests like ourselves have a chance to see horses of this magnitude run....you know, say what you will about the Shieks, but the bottomline is that they have the money and love for racing to keep horses like Bernardini and DC in training for a while because they could care less about getting that Huge stallion deal....money is no object, that is why in a way this is a good thing that they own the best horses in the world...it gives our sport a better chance to create stars and an identity in the mainstream IMO.... I'll say this, i is VERY clear to me that DC has and willhave some serious health issues at some point probably in the near future....he is NOT a pretty mover at all....so if you enjoy watching him run, be glad the Sheiks have him because they wil get him right and keep running him as long as it is nothing really bad and controllable with time.....Think about if some ownership like Cash is King owned the horse and he had the LEAST little thing go wrong with him....he would be retired and sold to a stud farm in a heart beat....thyat is a fact.. Another interesting theory to chew on is this: I would bet that DC is worse off health wise right now than Afleet Alex ever was when they retired him.....not knocking those guys..just an example I chose to use....the Sheiks have the non-money-driven interest in our sport that will keep DC in the game well beyond any other owner would...that you can be sure of...
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10-02-2006, 01:02 PM
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10-02-2006, 01:06 PM
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And Joel, please, stop reiterating that Pretty Discreet won the Alabama as though that gives Discreet Cat distance breeding. Do you remember that Alabama?
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10-02-2006, 01:17 PM
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He CRUISED in the 1 1/8-mile UAE Derby over some pretty heavy hitters, and I coud care less how she did it, she is a PRIVATE ACCOUNT....there are very few more stamina-laden influences in our game.....I believe Discreet Cat is the best horse in the world around one turn and that Bernardini is the best horse in the world around two turns - thus I think the further they go the more advantage Bernardini has over DC (1 1/4 miles), but I rerally believe DC is classy enough to still be second in the BC Classic - even if it isn't his best distance....
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10-02-2006, 01:14 PM
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A prime example is Discreet Cat.....if MOST American trainers had him (I won't mention names), DC would have been thrust into the Derby...Hell, the Shieks would have probably dne that too a few years ago...But now they are more disciplined because they have learned that if you do right by the horse that things will usually play out the best way for you in the long run.... You cannot acuse them of being bad horsemen...thats for sure...they have not always done the smartest things considering the capital they invest (Coolmore out-managed them for YAESR with less oney invested) but they are getting better and smarter now... Part of the reason they also didn't have the level of success that other big owners had for a long time was because they didn't cheat....I commend their honesty and it is paying dividends now...
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#20
10-02-2006, 01:20 PM
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When you figure out how Testimony finished six lengths behind Discreet Cat, and two lengths in front of Invasor, let me know.
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