Jockey shenanigans mar BC prep races

[Benny]

Per Teresa Genaro, of Brooklyn Backstretch;

Espinosa gets 7 days. Maragh broken arm surgery. Alvarado to the stewards.on Weds. for possible reckless riding on Moreno in JCGC.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/teresage...ers-cup-preps/

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Benny

Per Teresa Genaro, of Brooklyn Backstretch;

Espinosa gets 7 days. Maragh broken arm surgery. Alvarado to the stewards.on Weds. for possible reckless riding on Moreno in JCGC.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/teresage...ers-cup-preps/

I am sure Espinoza acted alone on those riding tactics Saint Bob again gets a free pass.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am sure Espinoza acted alone on those riding tactics Saint Bob again gets a free pass.

Baffert had nothing to do with it. Never discussed pre race at all. Ask all the racing authorities. It was decided a long time ago that trainers with multiple entries in a race would never conspire to use one horse to help another entrant in their barn hence all the uncoupled entries.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

Baffert had nothing to do with it. Never discussed pre race at all. Ask all the racing authorities. It was decided a long time ago that trainers with multiple entries in a race would never conspire to use one horse to help another entrant in their barn hence all the uncoupled entries.

Are you missing an emoticon in there? Maybe or or even

[freddymo]

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

[my miss storm cat]

Disagree with that first part, Mr. Mo, but yeah.. that was classic.

Somewhere Eddington winced...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

Seriously, Freddy? You can't tell the difference between a rider that is just an idiot and one that is not trying to win the race with his/her mount?

Having said that, agree about Bailey. He should have been suspended for what he did with Eddington as it was clear he was not trying to win that race. That is a fraud on the betting public.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

i think it's more a 'wait a minute, didn't baffert just go on a weeks long rant about this type of ride?' moment...
as for the ride, i think you should get called to the carpet for carrying a horse really wide, or for herding.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

Stewart Elliott is blameless?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Are you missing an emoticon in there? Maybe or or even

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Benny

Per Teresa Genaro, of Brooklyn Backstretch;

Espinosa gets 7 days. Maragh broken arm surgery. Alvarado to the stewards.on Weds. for possible reckless riding on Moreno in JCGC.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/teresage...ers-cup-preps/

What Alvarado did was horrible, 30 days?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

What Alvarado did was horrible, 30 days?

He should be suspended until 7 days after Maragh returns IMO.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by pointman

He should be suspended until 7 days after Maragh returns IMO.

I agree Nick, that was pure recklessness on Jr's part and Rajiv was extremely lucky to come away with just a broken arm... I guess Moreno and WS came out okay, I havent read anything on them..

[Alabama Stakes]

If I owned Shared Belief, Victor Espinoza would have got the beating of his life when he got off his hoss. Right there on the track, and everyone would know why, and no one would say a ****ing word. The guy with the white hair would get a backhander for good measure.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

If I owned Shared Belief, Victor Espinoza would have got the beating of his life when he got off his hoss. Right there on the track, and everyone would know why, and no one would say a ****ing word. The guy with the white hair would get a backhander for good measure.

Are you calling Jim Rome "Chris Everett"?

[ateamstupid]

The two incidents are completely incomparable. Espinoza made Shared Belief go slightly wider than he would've gone normally. Even though NYRA somehow hasn't made available a head-on of the JCGC, it looked like Alvarado could've killed Rajiv. Not remotely the same thing.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The two incidents are completely incomparable. Espinoza made Shared Belief go slightly wider than he would've gone normally. Even though NYRA somehow hasn't made available a head-on of the JCGC, it looked like Alvarado could've killed Rajiv. Not remotely the same thing.

These things can happen though when you are "Race riding" its one of the reasons why some of us do not condone hearding horses out 6 paths. Some see it as fine.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The two incidents are completely incomparable. Espinoza made Shared Belief go slightly wider than he would've gone normally.

Slightly wider? Victor practically bought SB a ticket to watch the race from the stands compared to where everybody else was in terms of paths and where his own mount should've been. Shared Belief normally goes 5-7 paths out all the way around? Victor ruined Sky Kingdom's chances to get a piece of anything. It wasn't fair to his horse or owner so if nothing else he needs to get jacked up over that.

Originally Posted by pointman

Rabbits have been used forever. The difference is that the rabbit is used to employ its speed to tire a horse who has speed and cannot be controlled to be rated, not used in a dangerous manner to impede a horse from winning.

You know sometimes rabbits don't know their role and forget to stop running.

Yup, nobody gave Sir Barton the memo. He spoiled Billy Kelly's party and went on to glory. Nothing says a rabbit's definitely gonna help another horse at their own expense. Maybe they get loose on the lead so even if they need it to win, they luck out sometimes and get left to it.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The two incidents are completely incomparable. Espinoza made Shared Belief go slightly wider than he would've gone normally. Even though NYRA somehow hasn't made available a head-on of the JCGC, it looked like Alvarado could've killed Rajiv. Not remotely the same thing.

If you use Xpressbet you can see the replay and it will show the stewards inquiry head on. It looked like to me that Alvarado just thought he could make it through the opening towards the rail. I am not sure he ever saw the other horse there. The problem is that it is his responsibility to know where other horses are and not to impede. I don't think it was in any way deliberate.

[Benny]

Mig had a curious take on a possible scenario, which andy termed a conspiracy rheory . Espinosa did his number on Shared Belief so SB would havesometning taken out of him, so California Chrome would have a better chance in BC, after what happened to CC in the PA derby. Migs theory is that you would like to have an easy race before the big one,not a hard one, ie when working a horse have the big piece of work two out and aneasy work as the last one.

As far as rabbits go,didn't Dutrow multiple rabbits in one race a few years ago, the Woodward in 2005, Saint Liam and Commentator, after Commentator won the Whitney at Saratoga,as lone spead.

" After Saint Liam lost the Whitney Handicap at Saratoga, the trainer Richard Dutrow Jr. decided to take no chances yesterday in the Woodward at Belmont Park.

Dutrow triple-teamed Commentator, the Whitney winner, and his three horses proved to be far more than Commentator could handle. With an assist from his colony of so-called rabbits, Saint Liam dominated, winning by two lengths.

On Aug. 6, Commentator sneaked away to an easy early lead on his way to the Whitney victory over Saint Liam. Dutrow's answer yesterday was to control the pace with two speed horses.

Crafty Player and Show Boot did their job as rabbits, ganging up on the Nick Zito-trained Commentator, hounding him for as long as they could. Commentator zipped through an opening six furlongs i..............."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A9639C8B63

Here are the trip notes, couldnot find a replay,

Race Comments: SAINT LIAM came away in good order, raced close up outside while in hand, cruised up three wide on the turn, galloped to a clear lead entering the stretch and remained safely clear while wrapped up, winning in handy fashion. SIR SHACKLETON was outrun early, rallied three wide on the turn and finished gamely while no serious threat to the winner. COMMENTATOR broke well and argued the pace while under attack from both sides, disposed of his assailants after three quarters but was in no shape to handle the winner and gave way in the final furlong. SHOW BOOT contested the pace along the inside, quit on the turn, dropped far back and was distanced. CRAFTY PLAYER contested the pace from the outside, quit after five furlongs, dropped far back and was distanced despite being kept to the task.