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05-04-2015, 02:10 PM
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And The Winner Of The Belmont is........
Drum roll please :0)
Keen Ice...... Granted I flushed some money down the toilet on this horse in the Derby, but the questions always is "can the horse get the distance"? f you guys have a minute, watch the Derby back. Keen Ice was literally the only horse moving forward from the back of the pack. I wish the fractions were there, but when you put up slow times and the best horses are in the lead you know the race is over. Keen Ice is bred to run forever and it sounds like the connections are already pointing him to the Belmont Stakes. The price will be right especially when AP wins in two weeks time. Call me crazy, but I will be on Keen Ice again in 5 weeks time. 
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05-04-2015, 02:16 PM
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05-04-2015, 02:29 PM
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You'll very likely get about the same result in the Belmont.
The derby pace will look like a meteorite blazing through the sky compared to the Belmont.
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05-04-2015, 02:35 PM
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belmont isn't typically a closers race.
and keen ice might get to elmont and detest the surface. some horses don't like big sandy, while some absolutely love it. and how can we have horses not bred to get 10f, but then we have people saying there are horses bred to go long? who's right about the breeding? and perhaps it's more a case of not training to go long? i have to think that the thing that affects these horses the most when trying the spring classics these days is that they don't train how they used to.
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05-04-2015, 02:40 PM
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I am merely just throwing it out there. It always seems like the Belmont surprises us with some crazy results. Will the pace be slower? Of course. But the horses won't be as spread out either. Keen Ice had the #1 breeding to go long in the Derby and I would imagine it would be the same for the Belmont. I am just not going to be interesting in betting AP at 2/5
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05-04-2015, 02:55 PM
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The sire of Keen Ice has already sired one Belmont winner in a brief stud career and would have won the race himself had the race been restricted to colts and geldings. The winner of that 2007 Belmont, Rags To Riches, was sired by another Belmont winner, A.P. Indy, who was himself a son of a Belmont winner, Seattle Slew. Rags To Riches was also out of a dam which had already produced a Belmont winner (Jazil). Perhaps you're right: horses are no longer bred to go long. But some of them are bred to win the Belmont.
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05-04-2015, 03:27 PM
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I'd take Frosted right now if anyone is going to beat Pharoah. He'll be rested and ready back in NY.
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05-04-2015, 06:52 PM
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Distance doesn't help closers
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05-04-2015, 07:17 PM
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But if he is a stayer, the distance could help him. The trainer ran a similar horse last year in the Belmont, Medal Count, and he ran third at nearly 30-1, besting American Chrome.
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05-04-2015, 07:41 PM
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What is Keen Ice then? Look at his pps he has never showed any early speed at all. He would be the definition of a closer.
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05-04-2015, 07:49 PM
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05-05-2015, 02:22 PM
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I do not understand how people are saying Keen Ice did not run a good derby. He was thje only horse from the back moving forwadr at all the 2nd half of the race. If there was enough pace early, he would have been in the running at the end. He is bred to run all day albeit maybe not su fast, but he won't be backing up at 1.5 miles. He is an interesting horse to look out for it really all I was going for with the first post.....
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05-05-2015, 02:47 PM
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05-05-2015, 05:01 PM
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