Is American Pharoah Baffert's best horse?

[Seattleallstar]

Where does he fit in with Real Quiet, Silver Charm, and Point Given?

[_ed_]

I'd definitely put him ahead of Real Quiet, for starters.

[DonGuido]

By far the best . . . you're kidding with this question right. Baffert has all can do to contain himself talking about this horse since his first win. He's a good poker player but every once in awhile he shows his hand a little bit. He not only LOVES training this horse he simply LOVES this horse . . . and who wouldn't.

[clambeau]

you are kidding, right ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Where does he fit in with Real Quiet, Silver Charm, and Point Given?

Ap, sc, rq, pg

[Indian Charlie]

Ic, Ap, Pg, Rq, Sc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Ic, Ap, Pg, Rq, Sc.

[ghartman02]

Silver Charm was a champion, he won The Derby and Preakness and then Dubai, just short in the Classic and Belmont. Real Quiet, a nose shy of a Triple Crown, Ok at 4 but we'll never know. Point Given was a beast. I'll never understand what happened Derby Day, but The Preakness, Belmont, and Travers were great. It's still incomplete on American Pharoah, but at this juncture, I think he's not only Bob's best, but definitely in the elite zone. Horses come at him in every race and he just puts it in another gear. Secretariat followed up the Triple Crown with great wins especially in the Marlboro, and Man o War or Lexington (always forget which one). Neither Slew nor Affirmed won in their Triple Crown won what I would term the Grand Slam of it's day, The Jockey Club Gold Cup (at 1 1/2 Miles). So if AP would win the BC Classic, we're in new territory!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ghartman02

Silver Charm was a champion, he won The Derby and Preakness and then Dubai, just short in the Classic and Belmont. Real Quiet, a nose shy of a Triple Crown, Ok at 4 but we'll never know. Point Given was a beast. I'll never understand what happened Derby Day, but The Preakness, Belmont, and Travers were great. It's still incomplete on American Pharoah, but at this juncture, I think he's not only Bob's best, but definitely in the elite zone. Horses come at him in every race and he just puts it in another gear. Secretariat followed up the Triple Crown with great wins especially in the Marlboro, and Man o War or Lexington (always forget which one). Neither Slew nor Affirmed won in their Triple Crown won what I would term the Grand Slam of it's day, The Jockey Club Gold Cup (at 1 1/2 Miles). So if AP would win the BC Classic, we're in new territory!

it was the man o war.

and one of slew's best races ever was the jockey club. losing a nose after how he ran early...it was amazing to see.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by ghartman02

Silver Charm was a champion, he won The Derby and Preakness and then Dubai, just short in the Classic and Belmont. Real Quiet, a nose shy of a Triple Crown, Ok at 4 but we'll never know. Point Given was a beast. I'll never understand what happened Derby Day, but The Preakness, Belmont, and Travers were great. It's still incomplete on American Pharoah, but at this juncture, I think he's not only Bob's best, but definitely in the elite zone. Horses come at him in every race and he just puts it in another gear. Secretariat followed up the Triple Crown with great wins especially in the Marlboro, and Man o War or Lexington (always forget which one). Neither Slew nor Affirmed won in their Triple Crown won what I would term the Grand Slam of it's day, The Jockey Club Gold Cup (at 1 1/2 Miles). So if AP would win the BC Classic, we're in new territory!

Gary Stevens is what happened to Point Given in the Derby....that's how to rush him up into suicidal fractions there Gary. He probaly felt like punching himself in the face after that ride.

[Benny]

“We've had a lot of good horses,” trainer Bob Baffert said. “I’ve never had one that moves like this. Never.”

http://www.si.com/horse-racing/2015/...ustrated-cover

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Benny

“We've had a lot of good horses,” trainer Bob Baffert said. “I’ve never had one that moves like this. Never.”

http://www.si.com/horse-racing/2015/...ustrated-cover

I keep telling you Bob loves this horse and he's not done running and winning yet.

Where would he stand all time if and it's a big IF he were to win the Haskell, The Travers and the BC Classic or even 2 out of the 3. I believe we have not seen his best yet!!!

[Thunder Gulch]

I love Silver Charm, and I thought PG was just an awesome animal, but this guy has to be the best. I suppose if he never wins again, you could argue those 2, but AP is winning big races by open lengths.

[DaTruth]

Zensational has to be in the conversation.
"He’s incredible. He’s a beast. He’s one of the three best horses I’ve ever trained,” trainer Bob Baffert said. “He’s one of the few you get in a lifetime. He is as fast, as powerful, and as good-looking as any horse you will ever see. He breezed faster than really good horses run.”

[outofthebox]

This is why i feel AP is his best. And this mostly comes from a horseman's view. What if find is most amazing about this guy, is that he overcame a 6 month layoff where two months of it was convalescing an injury. Believe me, a normal horse would have never gotten ready for a Triple Crown in the short amount of time he had for preparation. His workout pattern was actually abbreviated from the normal Baffert pattern. In place of his final workouts was actually a race (Rebel) which set him up for his first real test of the year (Arkansas Derby), which ended up as a workout in itself. In reality his first big test of the year was The Derby. And he struggled, we all saw that. It was an effort that actually brought him down to earth to most pundits. Gone was the "super horse" tag many had pinned on him. It was the first time the Baffert team actually had to deal with a tired horse after the race. Most experts were calling for an regression in the Preakness. None doing. He ran everyone off their feet in the quagmire and proceeding to come out of the race stronger. The three weeks between the Preakness and the Belmont we probably witnessed AP in his strongest breeze showings. Here was a horse who was peeking going into the last leg of the Triple Crown. I'm not going to get in a debate about the easy trip he got away with, or the 105 Beyer that he was assigned. What i took out of this final race of the Triple Crown was the power and ease of which he controlled the race from the start. It's not often you watch a Belmont and the winner is still well in hand as he turns into the stretch. AP only was extended for 5/16th of a mile, and was in full stride at the wire and still full of run on the gallop out. I can't wait for the second half of the season for AP..Like all 3yo's, he's going to have to improve his numbers to be competitive in the fall classics. I have faith that he will...

[Benny]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

This is why i feel AP is his best. And this mostly comes from a horseman's view. What if find is most amazing about this guy, is that he overcame a 6 month layoff where two months of it was convalescing an injury. Believe me, a normal horse would have never gotten ready for a Triple Crown in the short amount of time he had for preparation. His workout pattern was actually abbreviated from the normal Baffert pattern. In place of his final workouts was actually a race (Rebel) which set him up for his first real test of the year (Arkansas Derby), which ended up as a workout in itself. In reality his first big test of the year was The Derby. And he struggled, we all saw that. It was an effort that actually brought him down to earth to most pundits. Gone was the "super horse" tag many had pinned on him. It was the first time the Baffert team actually had to deal with a tired horse after the race. Most experts were calling for an regression in the Preakness. None doing. He ran everyone off their feet in the quagmire and proceeding to come out of the race stronger. The three weeks between the Preakness and the Belmont we probably witnessed AP in his strongest breeze showings. Here was a horse who was peeking going into the last leg of the Triple Crown. I'm not going to get in a debate about the easy trip he got away with, or the 105 Beyer that he was assigned. What i took out of this final race of the Triple Crown was the power and ease of which he controlled the race from the start. It's not often you watch a Belmont and the winner is still well in hand as he turns into the stretch. AP only was extended for 5/16th of a mile, and was in full stride at the wire and still full of run on the gallop out. I can't wait for the second half of the season for AP..Like all 3yo's, he's going to have to improve his numbers to be competitive in the fall classics. I have faith that he will...

I believe ATR show today brought up the question of other trainers possibly putting in a rabbit in the next races of AP. What do you think,?

[Benny]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I love Silver Charm, and I thought PG was just an awesome animal, but this guy has to be the best. I suppose if he never wins again, you could argue those 2, but AP is winning big races by open lengths.

I always thought that Baffert undertrained PG for the derby sso he'd be fresherr for the other 2 legs, just athought as i saw him romp in the Belmont that year.I'dd like to ask him that.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by Benny

I always thought that Baffert undertrained PG for the derby sso he'd be fresherr for the other 2 legs, just athought as i saw him romp in the Belmont that year.I'dd like to ask him that.

I can't remember how PG trained up to the Derby. Pretty sure those were the days before we had "The Works" show and everyone was focusing on that. I do remember the track that day as being extremely fast and Stevens had him chasing the suicide pace while wide throughout. They chose the wrong day to take him out of his preferred running style..

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I can't remember how PG trained up to the Derby. Pretty sure those were the days before we had "The Works" show and everyone was focusing on that. I do remember the track that day as being extremely fast and Stevens had him chasing the suicide pace while wide throughout. They chose the wrong day to take him out of his preferred running style..

The pace was just way to hot to be anywhere close. That said, Congaree was ahead of PG early and finished better. Just wasn't his day.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Benny

I always thought that Baffert undertrained PG for the derby sso he'd be fresherr for the other 2 legs, just athought as i saw him romp in the Belmont that year.I'dd like to ask him that.

I remember reading an interview with Baffert where he said that was indeed his mistake- he trained PG for the Triple Crown, rather than for the Derby.