oh, the stupid...it hurts

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...o_measles.html

stupid mother speaks, stupid pol supports stupidity.

[OldDog]

Indeed, that's a mind-numbingly stupid headline.

[Rudeboyelvis]

So left leaning Slate runs a hit piece and leaves out a whoooole bunch of pretty important details, which they were later forced to reveal by Fiorina's campaign.

For one: yeah, it's your kid, and if your religious proclivities prevent you from forceably injecting toxins into your kid, you have the liberty- under the letter of the law in the Constitution, to refuse to allow it....But the school districts have the same rights to expel and refuse admittance of said kid.

Seems completely rational to me.

Stupid only hurts when one blindly quotes "sources" with an already exposed agenda. And then have to wonder why they started to call someone, who clearly has an exponentially higher IQ than they do, stupid. Cuz then they look real stupid. And that hurts

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

So left leaning Slate runs a hit piece and leaves out a whoooole bunch of pretty important details, which they were later forced to reveal by Fiorina's campaign.

For one: yeah, it's your kid, and if your religious proclivities prevent you from forceably injecting toxins into your kid, you have the liberty- under the letter of the law in the Constitution, to refuse to allow it....But the school districts have the same rights to expel and refuse admittance of said kid.

Seems completely rational to me.

Stupid only hurts when one blindly quotes "sources" with an already exposed agenda. And then have to wonder why they started to call someone, who clearly has an exponentially higher IQ than they do, stupid. Cuz then they look real stupid. And that hurts

Toxins?

As for the school thing....that's all well and good. But kids don't just go to public schools...remember the measles outbreak at Disneyland? Or stores, daycare, the doctors office and so on.
What Carly, or any supposed intelligent person should say is ma'am, you're misinformed about vaccines that have prevented a variety of dangerous and deadly diseases from infecting millions of folks. Please listen to doctors instead of friends on Facebook and playboy centerfolds who cite one debunked study by a doctor who had his license stripped due to that bad study.
People use religion to not take kids to doctors, and now to let their kids flirt with disaster by not taking preventive steps.
Recently a boy died because his parents didn't get him vaccinated. They promptly got his sister caught up on her shots. Fat lot of good it did her dead sibling. I bet if they could go back in time, they wouldn't have been so careless with his health. They sure didn't risk their own! And he paid the price for it.

[Danzig]

As for her smarts....
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/...-carlys-ouster

And yea, when someone tells a stupid woman that she has the right to believe made up crap to keep from protecting her kids...that's stupid.

[GenuineRisk]

“The Mirror Crack’d” was based on a true story. In 1943, Gene Tierney volunteered to help out at the Hollywood Canteen, a support-the-troops nightclub set up by people in the film industry. (This was after she made “Heaven Can Wait” and just before “Laura.”) Tierney, who was pregnant (the father was Oleg Cassini), came away infected with rubella. Her daughter, Daria, was born early and in bad shape—just over three pounds, deaf, with severe cataracts and brain damage. She never learned to speak. Sometime afterward, Tierney met a woman who said that she’d gone to the Hollywood Canteen that night despite being in quarantine with rubella. From Tierney’s website:

“Everyone told me I shouldn’t go,” the starstruck woman told Tierney years later at a tennis match, not realizing what she was responsible for, “but I just had to go. You were my favorite.”
Tierney didn’t kill her, but she did descend into years of depression. Daria was eventually institutionalized. (Howard Hughes paid many of her medical bills.)

This is from a New Yorker article about the incalculable damage Andrew Wakefield, ex MD has done since the late 1990s. This is why vaccination is not a personal choice; it's a public health issue. Because this is the kind of damage non-vaccinated people can do when they get infected.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Toxins?

As for the school thing....that's all well and good. But kids don't just go to public schools...remember the measles outbreak at Disneyland? Or stores, daycare, the doctors office and so on.
What Carly, or any supposed intelligent person should say is ma'am, you're misinformed about vaccines that have prevented a variety of dangerous and deadly diseases from infecting millions of folks. Please listen to doctors instead of friends on Facebook and playboy centerfolds who cite one debunked study by a doctor who had his license stripped due to that bad study.
People use religion to not take kids to doctors, and now to let their kids flirt with disaster by not taking preventive steps.
Recently a boy died because his parents didn't get him vaccinated. They promptly got his sister caught up on her shots. Fat lot of good it did her dead sibling. I bet if they could go back in time, they wouldn't have been so careless with his health. They sure didn't risk their own! And he paid the price for it.

Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.

But of course that isn't the point. The point is that you trumpet your hypocritical "Constitutionalist" crap ad nauseum, and then at the bat of an eyelash, shove your leftist opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees with you.

I guess it's cuz u r smarterer than everyone else cuz you copy and paste Slate Op-ed blogs here all day.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.

But of course that isn't the point. The point is that you trumpet your hypocritical "Constitutionalist" crap ad nauseum, and then at the bat of an eyelash, shove your leftist opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees with you.

I guess it's cuz u r smarterer than everyone else cuz you copy and paste Slate Op-ed blogs here all day.

I hope you escape soon from whoever is holding you against your will and forcing you to read my leftist crap.
Your blather about mercury and the rest in vaccines is probably as accurate as your Ebola hysteria. As in not at all.

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jun...oversy-live-on
Why? Good question.
So, rude, why does it live on? What is it that makes people like you see incredibly overwhelming evidence, and say 'nah, that's not true'?
Seriously, why?
also...why are you perfectly polite if we both agree on something, but if it's something you don't see eye to eye with me...the insults start?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.

This sentence reflects a lot of scientific ignorance. Let's shed some light, shall we?

Here's a start: there's ethylmercury, and there's methylmercury. One accumulates in the body, and one does not. One is in thimerosol and one is not. Guess which one? There was never any danger with thimerosol; it was taken out as a precaution, which turned out to be unfounded, which is why it's still in some vaccines, like the flu vaccine. Know what actually can kill you? The flu. You ingest more mercury (the dangerous kind) from tuna fish or from breaking a fluorescent light bulb.

Aluminum is used as an adjuvant to improve the vaccine's efficacy. It's also present in a lot of other things. An infant gets more aluminum from breast milk than he does from vaccines (4mg vs 10mg, higher for formula fed babies, and much higher for soy-based formula). And if you've ever taken Maalox, you've ingested 200 mg of aluminum in a single dose.

Our own bodies produce formaldehyde when we digest citrus. It's essential to forming DNA and amino acids. A 6 year old child naturally has more formaldehyde in his blood than in all of the childhood vaccines combined. Hell, a single APPLE has more formaldehyde than a child would ever get in a doctor's visit from vaccines.

And here is where scientific ignorance becomes really clear. Toxicity is about dose, not substance. Formaldehyde is harmless, nay, NECESSARY in certain levels, dangerous at high levels (like for people who work in construction or smokers).

When it comes to vaccines, the only "toxin" is the actual disease the vaccine is protecting the child against. That's why there's aluminum in some vaccines- it reduces the amount of the actual toxin (the virus) necessary to spark our amazing immune system's reaction.

So no. None of those things you cited are toxins in vaccines.